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    Return of the Hardcor Xmax challenge.

    okay, since gasconran has not been updatin his thread, i am starting it anew here, i will try to update it every day if possible. the rules are as follow:

    I am not going to revise any of the rules Eric setup for the original challenge, as this is his original work... However, I am going to be more stricter than he was in checking the progress of contenders before updating the leaderboards. I will require screenshots, but videos are very welcome, as it will help new players tackle the challenge better as they can adapt your strategies visually.

    The Rules (taken from the old thread)

    1. Absolutely no USE defiler to TAMPER any of your character's attributes/data

    2. The only mods allowed are the ff: xmax, allskins, show all/pet damage, skip Zeus convo, freeze time of day, stacking potions, show item affixes, etc; - - "remove broken items/whites" will be allowed.
    CAUTION: You will notice an improved quality in your drops. However, be warned that this makes the challenge harder, because regular mobs are better equipped. Monsters will get less damage from your attacks and you risk your hardcore toon by exposing them to potentially bigger damage.

    (and all other mods that do not give players an illegitimate advantage over others)
    i.e. Unlimited Life, Unlimited Energy, No Skill Cooldowns, Money Never Goes Down, Chest Drops Increase, Unique Multipliers

    3. Absolutely no socketing of Blue & Purple items

    4. I am aware that there are certain mods that increase the chances of getting MI's. That is why I will put faith on your integrity with the MI's you use and how you got them, but know that if you cheat, the only one you are fooling is yourself.
    e.g. Act 4 MI's that contain Vanilla TQ affixes, Usage of ShopMI or Itemus maps

    5. Usage of bugged items is disallowed: In the words or Eric_the_Red: "If the item is doing anything else other than what its stats tell you, then it is bugged."
    e.g. Homados. EDIT: I think this was fixed in the latest 1.17 patch; 2nd EDIT: Captain's Signet was permitted due to the fact of it being essential in building some hybrid builds in its early stages. However, players are expected not to abuse the 2x Captain Signet = 0 STR req for shields bug...

    6. You must play the challenge 100% xMax, except bugged quests. No x2, x3, x6, x12, x18, m4ssboss mods. JUST xMax. Since this is the "0 Death" xMax Challenge...

    7. Yes... 150,000 kills is required, unless you are using a petbuild (traps do count as pets) which still requires you to do 75,000 kills
    EDIT: Due to the controversy of the 75,000 kill requirement for petbuilds, I am compromising and agreeing to change the requirement to 50,000 by Epic. This is due to the fact that, it is simply ludicrous to expect a hardcore petmancer to kill by itself in Legendary. However, 25,000 kills per difficulty is VERY, VERY attainable, and I expect that there should be no more complaints about this.
    *Note that this only applies to PURE petmancers/trappers. Hybrids that can kill on their own and use pets for support and buffs, are not affected by this change. they will need to kill 150,000.
    Farming plays a big role in this challenge as it will benefit you in the long run (overleveled, probability of getting better equipment for your entry or for your other chars, helping you achieve that 150,000 kill count req that everyone is complaining about)

    Here are some quotes, from the old thread... Some directly to me, as I was one of those with low kill counts...

    Originally Posted by Persona
    So far, on my two characters who have finished normal on xmax, both had a kill count of 75,000-85,000 between the levels of 50-52. You can see how this reflects badly on you, especially since your Rayearth is the self-same class as my Kaori, a Conqueror. I will grant you that I farmed my own equipment, not twink the hell out of my characters.* Sorry, I just had to say this: "I would agree with him 100% on what he said the first few parts... but no one tells me what I can or cannot do with items, I originally got from the game fairly. Collecting good Legendaries and uber MI's are time consuming as it is. I won't have some Jolly-Whack reprimand me for using them.

    Originally Posted by TimelordDC
    The point isn't that you cannot do boss runs to level up - the point is, you should be covering every area of the game and kill all monsters in Xmax. IMO, boss runs are more easy in Xmax than mobs as you have more chances of being killed by mobs. So, a kill count of 36k in Epic Helos is way off the mark - either you aren't using Xmax (which I don't believe is the case) or you are skipping areas (which doesn't go with the theme of the challenge)

    Of course, its up to Eric the Red to decide whether its ok or not but personally, thats just working around the rules of the challenge. Originally Posted by nzone
    @gasconron: It doesn't matter how you play it as long as you meet all the criteria of the challenge and you have fun, all is good. I hope you will meet the kill count requirement. You're in Epic now, I think you cannot go back to Normal to amass the kill count -- you can go forward, but you can't come backward.

    You don't have to farm boss to level up quickly; scouring every area of the map will yield you around 48-50 level by the time Normal is completed and a little more if you farm for items.
    I'm just in Normal (ACT 2, Thebes), I have already gotten approximately 35,000 kill counts and level 31.So... there guys, you've heard it from the veterans/challenge finishers, etc; KILL COUNT, KILL COUNT, KILL COUNT!!!

    TWINKING ETHICS:

    1. TQ vault is allowed ONLY for those attempting the twinked challenge

    2. If you are twinking, you MAY use TQ vault to change the completion bonuses of your Artifacts/Relics/Charms

    3. you MAY turn on, no artifact ingredients options using Defiler

    4. You may use a vaulted Overlord... (although getting an Overlord from Hades doesn't exactly take that long in xMax)

    5. If you have multiple entrees/participants in the challenge, and you want to equip them with the same gear. It is permissable (but not advisable) to use TQ vault to duplicate the item to avoid the hassle of switching the gear from 1 char to another every single time. *This is specially true, when you get a "own a godly 2-affix MI" that is very hard to spawn, which you wanna abuse and share to other toons.

    Progress Posting Format

    Also, when posting your progress this will be the required format:
    "character name" ("class") "level" - "current outpost/area"
    Persephone (Harbringer) 63 - Legendary Rhakotis

    Screenshot and/or Videos: I won't require them as much in Normal (except for those in Untwinked+No Pots Challenge) as it is fairly easy to go through the game twinked in Normal, although a little bit of screens once in a while would be nice to update us of your progress. However, once you hit Epic & Legendary PLEASE provide screens and/or vids of every bossfight you do.

    All of those who are in the Untwinked+No pots challenge, I would ask you that EVERYTIME you update your progress, please include a screenshot of the "Misc" tab of your character using Defiler. As of now, this is the only way to verify if the character has taken health and/or mana potions.

    *Optional* - you can color coordinate your progress (in case you have multiple entries to the challenge) to differentiate the difficulty your character is currently in.
    e.g.
    Lajoya (Ele) 63 - Legendary Warcamp
    Hagerdin (Ran) 50 - Epic Helos
    Verenz - (DK) 19 - Normal Delphi
    The leaderboard will work differntly than the origanal thread. There will be The Demigods, those who did it twinked,The gods, who did it untwinked, The Olympians, those who did it twinked without potions, and The titans, who did it untwinked with no potions. The download thread for xmax IT is found here.
    Demigods leaderboard:
    Kratos - Level 40 Conqueror. Fallen
    Sunic Flames - Level 18 Conjurer. Normal Delphi.
    CoDzilla - level 63 Druid. Legendary Helos.
    Kratos - level 42 Conqueror. Normal Rhodes.(redo)
    Panya - level 36 Warden. Normal Parnathian Highlands.
    by MagicMissile
    Warden - Epic Valley of The Kings, lvl 52.
    Bonecharmer - Epic Helios, lvl 44.
    Haruspex - Epic Helios, lvl 43.
    by Zenmurphy
    Gods Leaderboard:
    Pwn- level 25 stormcaller. Normal Rahkotis Library
    by Poinas
    Ibra-Harbinger 24 Rahkotis
    by iwantthehidra27
    Olympians Leaderboards:
    Titans Leaderboards:
    Titan-Level 14 Druid, at the fountain after Halcyon coast.
    by Bonobo4
    Melior - Level 9 Theurgist - Normal Greece
    by mnoel23
    Ginko - 10 / Ritualist / Village of Tagea
    by Shinkenshi

    I have now added a multiplayer option! To balance this all must go untwinked AND you cannot have more than 4 players per party AND you cannot have any overlapping masteries, ie 2 soothsayers or a warden and templar. Beforehand your group must decide wether or not to use potions. Whenever you play, all registered members MUST be there or it does not count towards your progress. Like single player, you must all start from the beggining at the same time. Also, if there are any non-registered players playing, it does not count towards progress. To enforce this, i need pictures and/or videos frequently with all players, no extras, in it. Every time a party updates, i need all members to take a picture of the same place and time and post at nearly the same time.The leader boards will be: Caster and Pollux, who all do it untwinked, and Artemis and Apollo, who all did it untwinked and no potions. Also, if possible, provide a team name.
    Rule on dieing: A character who dies in a multiplayer game will either be eliminated from the challenge, or the party can choose to retsart their characters. If there is only one member left they can chooose to go to singleplayer.
    Caster and Pollux
    Satyr Assasination Squad-level 6 Wanderer&Defender, Laconia
    By Bonobo4 and Phantasy_snot[fallen bacause of me]
    Artemis and Apollo
    Last edited by Phantasy_snot; 06-02-2011 at 11:07 AM.
    Tale of an Oracle, Darth Twins, and Start of Walmart(aka darkness) make up the Wal-Mart Trilogy written by me and my brother. Its basicly if you had the Wal-Mart Pharmacy as the main villains in Titan Quest. I write ToaO, SatyrBane writes SoW, and we co-author Darth Twins. I also run the Return of the Hardcore Xmax thread. I will try to update it as best as i can.

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    HI I AM BACK!

    Im pretty unsure whether will i install this game again but thinkin so

    If I will,I rlly want to attempt this again.Kinda hybridized,though.Im going to play through Tunngle with a guy ill find,but also solo.I dont really care if im credited or not :/
    Hardcore XMAX CHALLENGE:ExTeRmInAtOr-Level 68 Conqueror,Hanging Gardens;Zilla-Level 39 Ranger,Soronis;Aellectris-Level 11 Oracle,Tegea;

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    @phantasy_snot:
    It would be helpful for newcomers if you can post the link to the xmax installation thread. will think about this challenge once i finish my uber character and definitely gods category, since without potions its quite difficult and a terribly slow game but worth the try. hope you'll still be active by then

    @iwantthehidra:
    welcome back! are u sure u dont want ur credits?
    Uber Hardcore (Untwinked with potions)

    Survivor - Harbinger (LvL 67) - Legendary Pellana Valley

    FallenOne - [Retired] Diviner (LvL 61) - Epic Knossos Palace

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    no :P

    i dont like managing threads,i like competing though.After this ill try Uber withy legendary/late epic twinking(aka NO LEGENDARY SBC IN NORMAL).In preparation ill take a Harrowing Diviner through xmax to farm for stuff maybe i can register him.ill play thru both co-op and solo tho;same partner tho.If he dies ill just do it alone.
    Hardcore XMAX CHALLENGE:ExTeRmInAtOr-Level 68 Conqueror,Hanging Gardens;Zilla-Level 39 Ranger,Soronis;Aellectris-Level 11 Oracle,Tegea;

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    SORRY FOR DOUBLE POST

    hey johnjov,would u like to play co-op in xmax hxc?over tunngle?
    Hardcore XMAX CHALLENGE:ExTeRmInAtOr-Level 68 Conqueror,Hanging Gardens;Zilla-Level 39 Ranger,Soronis;Aellectris-Level 11 Oracle,Tegea;

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    I'm interested but the main problem is I'm running on a slow net speed of 256kbps which i highly doubt would support co-op
    Uber Hardcore (Untwinked with potions)

    Survivor - Harbinger (LvL 67) - Legendary Pellana Valley

    FallenOne - [Retired] Diviner (LvL 61) - Epic Knossos Palace

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    we can try

    no1 on tunngle wants to play

    i really need a harrowing div to farm tho and think this could be much more enjoyable
    Hardcore XMAX CHALLENGE:ExTeRmInAtOr-Level 68 Conqueror,Hanging Gardens;Zilla-Level 39 Ranger,Soronis;Aellectris-Level 11 Oracle,Tegea;

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    alright but our versions may not match since I'm playing with Uber mod + fanpatch, not xmax. what do you suggest?

    Edit:
    do you want any specific harrowing item since I'm getting a lot of related drops with my harbinger
    Uber Hardcore (Untwinked with potions)

    Survivor - Harbinger (LvL 67) - Legendary Pellana Valley

    FallenOne - [Retired] Diviner (LvL 61) - Epic Knossos Palace

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    @john and IWTH you can play multiplayer, but i wont post it on, multiplayer is much easier than single player.
    Tale of an Oracle, Darth Twins, and Start of Walmart(aka darkness) make up the Wal-Mart Trilogy written by me and my brother. Its basicly if you had the Wal-Mart Pharmacy as the main villains in Titan Quest. I write ToaO, SatyrBane writes SoW, and we co-author Darth Twins. I also run the Return of the Hardcore Xmax thread. I will try to update it as best as i can.

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    lol

    i went all the way thru with a spellbreaker
    my ally was ranger

    I died 23 times by now.xD

    i'm not going to try xmax hardcore again,my spellbreaker is a bad looter.Her weapons and Soul Shiver are the only things I'm proud of on her.I didnt even find a hale yet.
    Hardcore XMAX CHALLENGE:ExTeRmInAtOr-Level 68 Conqueror,Hanging Gardens;Zilla-Level 39 Ranger,Soronis;Aellectris-Level 11 Oracle,Tegea;

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