Gaming - Performance vs Gameplay

[Alek_tq]

I think chess is a very primitive form of an RTS (well, actually turned based strategy, but that in itself is a primitive form of RTS), actually. Wether it's harder I don't know. Chess isn't hard, it just requires insane amounts of practice before you become really good at it; because than your brain learns all of the (logical) possible patterns.


I think the current hype is not as much about plastic guitars as it is about implementing sandbox and RPG elements in every game. Not sure what to think about that really. The concept of it is nice, but so many games get it wrong...

Oh, and for the record, since Fallout 3 gets way too much praise in this thread; I actually prefer Fallout 1 over it.

I agree, chess is a primitive and greatly complex and by far more complicated than some PC RTS games. But if you think about it, comparing chess (which has the ultimate balance, the only imbalance of chess is that its turn based game - someone has to play 1st) to a well balanced game like Warcraft 3FT, you would realize that both take lots of practice to master, to learn patterns at chess is to know strats at RTS, to move at certain position on the table, is to use terrain advantage in RTS, to exploit the pieces' virtues and cover their cons with other pieces is equivalent of you're army design and shape in RTS games. But nowadays, most RTS games are generic, unfinished and imbalanced. Let's pray for Starcraft.

I agree, almost every new game has RPG elements and character design (who cares about character design and look's anyway?).

Some poster already stated that when we think about older games, nostalgia kicks in and we find them greatly better than the new ones. It's the same for me, Caesar IV will never be as good as the 3rd part, nor will the by far superior Civ 4 be as good and fun as Civ 3.
But then again, FallOut has changed from turn-based isometric game to FP-RPG game. And the developer it self has changed, to me, it makes unsignificent difference, but to older gamers...

[yerkyerk]

Well, the biggest difference between chess and RTS games is that by being good at chess, you get praised - and by being good at RTS games all you get is that you're a no-life gaming freak. I mean, that's just hypocrite. Oh well.

[Alek_tq]

Depends. Pro players of many games (CS, Starcraft, DotA for instance) have huge prizes.

Also, did you know that in China, DotA is so popular, some players have titles of DotA Gods, and are praised by the community, literally. Examples are Loda, Merlini, Slasher etc etc mostly legends and current pro players. Most of LAN gaming is followed by respect and glory. The reason you've said that is probably because internet is full of kids, dic.ks and people alike, who ruin your expirience. I, myself, enjoy being call'ed haxor, rusher fag, etc etc...


Taking DotA as example (War3 mod map, very popular, click my sig), players actually have fun clubs, the biggest online tournament, Farm 4 Fame is usually being broadcast live via internet with shoutcast and all the possible and impossible features. And it's not a game where the person that plays the most win's all the time. The top team at the moment is made out of casual gamers, who reunited for old times sake and pure pwnage. Sure, they have sponsors and what not, they travel a lot and have fun, hell, even meet hot girls, cuz girls acutally play DotA (proven fact.).

[Impulsand]

Well, for games that I would play again (and again) one of them is an oldie called Star Control II. One of the best games ever made.

You can actually download the remade version. Here is the download link for it. Linux, MacOS, Windows versions all aboard. It had decent graphics for it's day and the game play is amazing.

[Impulsand]

Depends. Pro players of many games (CS, Starcraft, DotA for instance) have huge prizes.

Well yeah, depends on your location, but what Yerk is saying is that Chess has a wider recognition. Perhaps a failing one as different things become popular... but wider nonetheless.

[therani]

Well yeah, depends on your location, but what Yerk is saying is that Chess has a wider recognition. Perhaps a failing one as different things become popular... but wider nonetheless.

Indeed. You're way more likely to find a chess club in a high school than a Starcraft club. And even if you were lucky enough to attend a school with a Starcraft club, it wouldn't look nearly as awesome on your resume.

[yerkyerk]

Well, my point was mostly that being good at chess is being praised outside of the chessworld, whereas similar prestations with games are at best only praised by fellow gamers - but that's not really noteworthy, as being good at a certain practice tends to always get praise from fellow practicioners of sorts.

This also goes for sports, which are also games and have no productive value - they're praised outside of professing community. And not only are they paid for playing games, they're grossly overpaid as well.
Perhaps videogames are too young for that type of recognition?
Perhaps in the future we have posters of fat, morbidly obese, pimply teenagers in our rooms

[Impulsand]

Well, my point was mostly that being good at chess is being praised outside of the chessworld, whereas similar prestations with games are at best only praised by fellow gamers - but that's not really noteworthy, as being good at a certain practice tends to always get praise from fellow practicioners of sorts.

See now you're just repeating yourself.

Perhaps in the future we have posters of fat, morbidly obese, pimply teenagers in our rooms

And LOL. That would be fitting, no pun intended, but I think they wouldn't be as marketable as some slim-chisel-jaw jock who happened to be good at computer games in a "professional" setting.

[yerkyerk]

See now you're just repeating yourself.

True. I wanted to state that it's a moot point wethere there's praise for expertise within a certain profession for fellow practicioners, which basically means videogamers aren't recognized, whereas boardgamers and sportsmen are (sportswomen in the case of tennis).
Ah, 3 times. Who's counting?

And knowing the average gamer, they'll only have interest in posters of female gamers
Ehr, what was this thread about again?

[therani]

And knowing the average gamer, they'll only have interest in posters of female gamers

But probably not the fat pimply ones.