Dual Wield question

[Laue]

Dual wield is very interesting skill. I am using it, but I still have some questions. That % to use - is that a chance to use the 2nd weapon? My toon uses the 2nd weapon much more often than that. And weapon atrributes and "Chance of" bonuses on hit? Please explain good people

[mamba]

When you have two weapons equipped, the chances that either one is used is 50%. This has nothing to do with the % of the various DW skills.

The % however are the chances that instead of either using your left-hand or right-hand weapon, you will use the DW skill. So when you have DW maxed, you have a 22% chance to use BOTH weapons in one strike (thereby doing the damage of both weapons in one attack) and so on for the other DW skills.

Note that the percentages of the skills are cumulative, so once you have the tree maxed there is a 52% chance to use a DW skill instead of attacking with one of your weapons.

[Laue]

Ok, so there is ~20% both weapons will be used on one strike with the base skill, but it also adds a 50% chance that an additional attack with second weapon occurs?

Now let's say I have Pagos as my primary weapon and Sapros is my 2nd weapon. Do I need to acctualy attack with Sapros (from Dual Wield, Hew, Scissor cut or Turmult) so the target is debuffed or (as I read somewhere) the effects of Sapros are also given to Pagos because of the Dual Wield?
Does it make any difference if I put switch my weapons' places (Sapros in primary weapon slot and Pagos in secondary, opposite of current setup)? Thanks in advance.

[mamba]

Ok, so there is ~20% both weapons will be used on one strike with the base skill, but it also adds a 50% chance that an additional attack with second weapon occurs?

No, there is a 20% chance that both weapons get used (base DW skill). For the other 80% of the time, there is a 50% chance that your right-hand weapon will be used and a 50% chance that your left-hand weapon will.

Now let's say I have Pagos as my primary weapon and Sapros is my 2nd weapon. Do I need to acctualy attack with Sapros (from Dual Wield, Hew, Scissor cut or Turmult) so the target is debuffed or (as I read somewhere) the effects of Sapros are also given to Pagos because of the Dual Wield?
Does it make any difference if I put switch my weapons' places (Sapros in primary weapon slot and Pagos in secondary, opposite of current setup)? Thanks in advance.

Yes, you will need to hit with Sapros in order for Sapros to debuff. While +% bonuses of both weapons apply to either weapon, the non-% abilities (like +50 damage or -100 resistance) do not.

Sapros should be your primary weapon I believe as when you actually DW (i.e. use both weapons at once), the primary strikes first, so if that is Sapros, the target is debuffed when the second weapon strikes. Not entirely sure though, someone might want to confirm this

[Laue]

Ok thanks. That cleared up this skill a lot. Also do "Chance of x% of the following :" apply to the weapon on the other hand?


Off-topic question though : if I get a second Sapros (unlikely) and hit with both of them, does the other Sapros' debuffs stack?

[mamba]

Ok thanks. That cleared up this skill a lot. Also do "Chance of x% of the following :" apply to the weapon on the other hand?

Not as far as I know, only +% bonuses apply to both weapons, % chance is the same as +x damage, just that it only occurs every once in a while.

Off-topic question though : if I get a second Sapros (unlikely) and hit with both of them, does the other Sapros' debuffs stack?

No, debuffs do not stack, be it from two Sapros or two different weapons (the higher debuff gets used in that case).

The only way debuffs do stack is if you have a relative debuff (-% resistance) and an absolute debuff (-resistance), these do stack. If you have multiple of each (not likely) the highest one of each category is used.

Note, this is not limited to weapons / gear but also applies to skills (like Necrosis).

[Matseb2611]

And like pointed out by Kalyan on his Hamstring thread, Hamstring debuff also stacks because it is -% to DA instead of -DA.

[farcus]

As you said the dual wield tree's % is cumulative, does this mean cumulative for dual wield only or dual wield and all the other dual wield techniques such as 360degree hit, 90degree hit, and the 50% bonus damage?

Is there a reliable source that actually proves/states that it is indeed 52% chance to use both weapons at the same time? Not that I don't believe you or anything.

[ffreakk]

Im sure this has been discussed before.. And the percentage is indeed cumulative.. Search either "apocalypse80" or "kalyan" i think they are the two that are most likely hav discussed the topic more in-depth and w decent proofs.. Cant give u any tho

[Poinas]

As you said the dual wield tree's % is cumulative, does this mean cumulative for dual wield only or dual wield and all the other dual wield techniques such as 360degree hit, 90degree hit, and the 50% bonus damage?

How could Dual Wield be cumulative on it's own?

The DW skills are cumulative. They are divided into "slots". For example

1-22 DW
23-33 Hew
33-43 CC
43-53 Tumult
54-100 Normal hit with either your left or right weapon.

The game randomizes a number between 1-100 and picks the right attack.