best class vote?

[Friend]

cause voting is fun. for example like this: name 5 best classes in your opinion from best to worst, give 5, 4, 3, 2 and 1 point respectively, and then we just add them all when all finish vote. lets say only people >= 100 posts should vote cause...well safe to assume they know more than randoms like me who just pass by.

what u think guys?

[Nightmare14]

1: Petmaster Ritualist, extremely adaptive

2: Diviner Poinas style (http://www.titanquest.net/tq-forum/threads/25924-Guide-Pwning-with-Spirit?highlight=spirit), read the guide ;) the Harsperx Violos style (http://www.titanquest.net/tq-forum/threads/29672-Guide-Electric-burn-DOT-mage) as well, would be second as its real fun except i play it Diviner way using Vision of Death instead of Sands of Sleep

3: Petmaster soothsayer, great defensive bility and powerful pet and when got 60< recharge with a little health regen (>=40) its pretty much unstopable, can be done with pretty much max primary resists except poison and secondary resists lacking but doesnt matter you'll stay out of most danger because of pets

4: Spellbreaker

5: Templar, can quiet easily become EXTREMELY survivable

[Irma2]

This has been done many, many times before. Do a search and you'll find the previous polls, along with the handful of votes that they generated.

[Friend]

This has been done many, many times before. Do a search and you'll find the previous polls, along with the handful of votes that they generated.

omg just vote :errf:

[Fozzie]

It's more or less like letting people vote on the "best tool" in their toolbox. The result may show something like "A Phillips-head screwdriver is the best tool ever!" - but try and explain that to the guy who needs something nailed down...

[Nightmare14]

@Friend Irma does have a point this has been done quiet a few times

@Fozzie i think hes just looking for what class people prefer

[Fozzie]

Well, that would be "favourite" class, then. Not trying to nitpick here, there is a huge difference between the two.

[Nightmare14]

in this games its a fine line between "best" and "favourite" class seeing as someone who prefers pet based calsses and have ritualist or soothsayer as the best class
while someone who prefers melee and have Spellbreaker
mage, Oracle
range, Harspex, etc

so its a matter of your prefered style as to whats the best class thus there being a fine line

[noknuckles]

Only have 1 class in legendary so I would give Ranger a 5 and everything else a 0. Guess that's why I'm not allowed to vote...

[Fozzie]

I'm just saying, "best" is something you can eventually tie to numbers and figures in terms of e.g. damage output or other variables. "Favourite" might correlate to some degree with those numbers but not entirely. Conqueror for example can definitely be considered a very strong class but to me it ranks somewhere at the absolute bottom, because I think it's simply boring to play and so I prefer something like a dual-wielder Assassin, although a Conqueror would "outperform" him pretty much at any time. So I couldn't safely say that Assassin is a better class than Conqueror - I just favour the one over the other.

[Nightmare14]

thats true

[Fozzie]

What? No! You can't agree all of a sudden, we had such a nice argument going on here. Come back and fight like a nerd! ;)

[Nightmare14]

hahahah there isnt really anything else i can seeing as you pretty much agreed with this comment i made


in this games its a fine line between "best" and "favourite" class seeing as someone who prefers pet based calsses and have ritualist or soothsayer as the best class
while someone who prefers melee and have Spellbreaker
mage, Oracle
range, Harspex, etc

so its a matter of your prefered style as to whats the best class thus there being a fine line

just you used different words so techniqually your the one that ended the arguement ;)

[Fozzie]

No, I didn't - you said "fine line" and I paraphrased something more like "huge gap"... :D
But maybe we've already held this topic hostage for too long, anyway...

[Nightmare14]

yet your reasoning supports my comment :P
hahaha yeah thats true

[Runefang]

Voting for my favourite here:

1. Champion (-100% recharge, 8 pets, full pet boosting gear, the most fun I've had in this game was playing this character)

2. Warden (simply because it was my first character that I played through fully with)

3. Haruspex (100% Ctap and 2k DA with a bow? yes please)

4. Thane (-100% recharge dual wielding Lykaion Malleus with Squall, its a lot of fun)

5. Oracle (because Ternion + big elemental damage is always going to be fun)

[noknuckles]

I'm just saying, "best" is something you can eventually tie to numbers and figures in terms of e.g. damage output or other variables. "Favourite" might correlate to some degree with those numbers but not entirely. Conqueror for example can definitely be considered a very strong class but to me it ranks somewhere at the absolute bottom, because I think it's simply boring to play and so I prefer something like a dual-wielder Assassin, although a Conqueror would "outperform" him pretty much at any time. So I couldn't safely say that Assassin is a better class than Conqueror - I just favour the one over the other.

There are objective ways to measure how good a class is at something (eg. you may be able to objectively say that Conqueror has better dps than Assassin [note: I don't know if it does, just pulling an example]), but measuring how important those somethings are can be subjective.

The class that's fastest at running Typhon?
The class that's fastest at running Typhon without drinking a potion?
The class that's best at completing the game untwinked (thus good for beginners to start off with)?
The class that's best at completing the game twinked to the teeth (thus overall best at dealing with a variety of situations)?

etc.

One can put their own value on certain aspects of the game. One may value versatility, while one may value item running potential. So while I can objectively say "My char. is better than yours at running this one particular area because I take on average 23 seconds and you take on average 31 seconds," I can't objectively say "My char. is better than yours" if you just don't value running times of that particular area as much as I do

If Nightmare14 isn't gonna nerdfight you, I guess you'll have to settle with someone who is clueless when it comes to TQ (thus I shall argue purely in generalities...)

[Nightmare14]

welcome to TQ Forums where theres anything you want to know bout the game to be found here, but where noone wants a good nerdfight to end ;)

[flix]

BATTLEMAGE.

Best at dying unexpectedly.

"I annihilate all in my path! I am an offensive fiery nightmare to all who oppose m-ACK I'm one-shotted by a single crow!"

-Juvius, lvl. 72 Battlemage.
79 Deaths
2,265 Health Potions Drank.

[Fozzie]

Thank you, noknuckles - I award you some nerd brass! Maybe you can make knuckles out of it... ;)

@flix: Oh yeah, Battlemage definitely is one of those classes that look good in theory and then when you "just give it a spin", you're in for a nasty surprise...

[flix]

Thank you, noknuckles - I award you some nerd brass! Maybe you can make knuckles out of it... ;)

@flix: Oh yeah, Battlemage definitely is one of those classes that look good in theory and then when you "just give it a spin", you're in for a nasty surprise...

Fire mage is my default class for fantasy games that let me choose such things. When it came time to pick a second mastery, I honestly just liked the sound of the name "Battlemage" more than anything. I started out very much a fire mage, and by end of Legendary ended up mostly just a warrior with some fire damage and a summon. It was an awesome ride though.

[Medea Fleecestealer]

BATTLEMAGE.

Best at dying unexpectedly.

"I annihilate all in my path! I am an offensive fiery nightmare to all who oppose m-ACK I'm one-shotted by a single crow!"

-Juvius, lvl. 72 Battlemage.
79 Deaths
2,265 Health Potions Drank.

Wow! You counted the number of health potions you drank. That's taking statistical analysis to the "nth" degree, flix. ;)

Never got my Battlemage past Normal on my old PC and I haven't started a new one yet, but that nasty surprise death situation when a toon is suddenly sent back to the rebirth fountain? Oh yeah, that's very familiar.

Would have to say Defense is about my most favourite class with Storm being the least. But I think that's only because I haven't really gotten to grips with some of Storm's skills yet. I was the same with Spirit initially; couldn't really see a lot of use in some of the skills and didn't enjoy playing it, but after reading some of the threads on Spirit I've come to appreciate what it can bring to a build and am having great fun with my Diviners and Conjurer atm. I'm hoping one day I'll get the same enjoyment out of Storm.

[Dean]

I'm a big fan of anything 'Hunting', I mean at the moment I've got only two characters since my re-install: a Slayer(Warfare/Hunting) which I use as my single player character, and a Physical Avenger I use as my online character with anther member of this forum.
I think it's something to do with the versatility of the class, and I have a thing for spears and bows.

I haven't actually dabbled much with full mage characters... I guess that's a project for next time. There are so many choices it's very hard for me to choose.

[Irma2]

That's where people's experiences can be so different. My Battlemage is in A1L with no deaths yet. I was expecting my bow Avenger to be very survivable, what with Cory and Monster Lure. But it has died nine times by A3L, a lot more than my other archers and about equal with my bow Brig which was my first toon through the game.

[sugar kane]

I like all combinations with hunting and spirit cause they are all fast boss killers , especially Bone Charmer and Slayer.
Rogue and storm toons are most fun in my opinion , Warlock ternion + mandrake and traps lots of fun.
Dream toons are great survivors , my Templar still reject to die.
Earth toons are last on my list because i have only Avenger , but Magician sounds fun so I will start one.

[Shalie]

Wow! You counted the number of health potions you drank. That's taking statistical analysis to the "nth" degree, flix. ;)


The game keeps track of that for you, and you can find the numbers with TQ Defiler:
http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q606/Shaliebucket/potionsused.jpg

[Irma2]

That's an interesting tool to have. I just checked out my Evoker. Two health pots and no energy pots used yet - and she's in Act I Legendary, heh.

[Shalie]

Wow, you masochist :p
I don't have to patience to wait for my health to refill after every battle, that's what the pots are meant for.

[Irma2]

Well, that toon doesn't take any damage. It's the toon I used to do the zero potion Xmax challenge. She finished Normal without taking any pots at all, just using ToC and some ADCtH to recover from the odd nick and scratch. In Epic, I did need one pot, can't remember where though. The other one I hit by mistake. I was trying to hit a skill number and hit the potion button by mistake, heh.

With Cory and Nightmare taking aggro up front, and DW/PI to slow any incoming melee foes with DR/TR if they get past that, she is almost immune from damage.

[adamatium]

Well, that toon doesn't take any damage. It's the toon I used to do the zero potion Xmax challenge. She finished Normal without taking any pots at all, just using ToC and some ADCtH to recover from the odd nick and scratch. In Epic, I did need one pot, can't remember where though. The other one I hit by mistake. I was trying to hit a skill number and hit the potion button by mistake, heh.

With Cory and Nightmare taking aggro up front, and DW/PI to slow any incoming melee foes with DR/TR if they get past that, she is almost immune from damage.
What is ur job anyway???currently I play as a prophet but feel bored even I am still not pass normal episode

[Irma2]

im a riter.

[Medea Fleecestealer]

I'd forgotten that Defiler could keep track for you, but then I've only recently actually LOOKED at the individual character possibilities of the program. :errf: Takes me a while, but I'll get there eventually!

[Medea Fleecestealer]

What do you rite? Sorry, write, Irma2?

[Irma2]

Television scripts, print media articles, annual reports, corporate communications, marketing bumph mostly.

[Medea Fleecestealer]

I didn't write them, but I've pounded out (manual typewriters at the beginning) many radio scripts in my younger days at BBC Radio. Greatest boon from the introduction of computers for the harried typist - cut and paste! Really makes a difference when you're working to a deadline and (hoorah!) don't have to retype a whole page just because a couple of sentences need to be put somewhere else on the page or, heaven forbid, moved to another one necessitating two pages of retyping. Those were the days.

[Irma2]

Cool. I remember the days of IBM golf-ball typewriters. The client wants one word changed on the page - retype the whole page. Urgh. My first WP was WordStar. What a boon to be able to correct, hit "Print" and give them a new draft. :p

[Medea Fleecestealer]

Never used one of those, though I have seen them over the years, but ours were the good old standard ones. Then eventually electric, electronic and only then did we get computers; Compaq was our first. With two live shows being scripted on the same day (one for Friday evening and one for Saturday morning) things could be a bit hectic at times on the old machines, especially as we used to use very thin paper with carbon sheets inbetween so we could do multiple copies at once (no quick and easy access to a photocopier then either).:eek: They were all attached together with a tear off strip at the top so you could separate the pages and you got 5 copies in all. And, of course, very difficult to correct if you made a typing mistake. I always had the bottom copy for my timing part of the job because it was the fuzziest one to read.

[Irma2]

Heh, broadcasting was a blast back then. In the 80s, we used to broadcast film directly to air via telecine. And a lot of it was 'live'. One of my colleagues took his half-hour sports programme to telecine for live broadcast and, as they were putting it onto the projector, the bobbin in the middle of the film reel fell out. It was quite a palaver to get it back in and there wasn't time. So my mate put his wrist through the middle of the reel as a makeshift 'bobbin' and stood next to the projector, feeding the film off the reel by hand for the entirety of the broadcast.

Video wasn't any better. At the time, they worked with gigantic 2-inch video spools that weighed about twenty pounds each. They ran under tension and, when loading the reel onto a player, the last step was to hit the prep button where the machine would take up the slack and set the correct tension with an unnerving CLUCK sound. Everybody would hold thumbs that the jolt wouldn't rip the tape - which often happened just as you were ready to go on air.

Nowadays many broadcast off DVD and it won't be long before they're all broadcasting off solid state memory chip. Already there are cameras with no moving parts and writing directly to chip. Originally, a 400 foot roll of 16mm film would give you around ten minutes of recording time and was a fairly bulky item. Now you're getting something like 270 hours from a small chip, heh.

[Medea Fleecestealer]

Yes, times have changed a lot. Not sure how much radio has changed since I left which was early 90's, they're probably using rewriteable discs for recordings these days instead of tape. Reporters only occasionally took out cassette recorders to record their material on; mostly they used Uhers so we didn't have the hassle of converting cassettes to tape format.

Could be wearing though, especially if we had a live OB for a programme. I remember we did one for "Breakaway" down at a holiday camp in Devon. Everyone else went down on the Thursday to start gathering material on the Friday, but I had to stay in London to do the script for our other programme "Going Places" for Friday evening's broadcast. Then I got the train down to Devon to the camp, to fall pretty much straight into bed as it was about 11pm by that time. Up at 5am next morning to find somewhere/somehow to type up the script, did the OB live and then packed up and got the train back to London.

Most panic though was when we did "Going Places" from one of the new HMS navy vessels. Played the sig tune, then I was handed the tape to keep safe. "Don't need that again," I thought and went and placed it in my bag to make sure it didn't get lost. Programme went well and then coming up on 5 minutes to the end of the programme I suddenly realised I needed the sig tune tape again. Just a minor problem; it was at the other end of the ship in my bag! Mad dash from one end to other and back again to get it, but I was in time and didn't cause a problem. Phew! Didn't make that mistake again I can tell you. No idea why my brain suddenly decided we only played the sig tune once, but there we are, it did and nearly caused a mix-up.

[Irma2]

Heh, my most famous brain lapse was while I was editing the local police show. I did the segment where they reconstructed a crime and appealed to the public for help/eyewitnesses. Every Tuesday morning, I'd edit the programme, have it final mixed and then drop it off at telecine in preparation for the evening's broadcast. In those days, I lived in an apartment about 4km away from the broadcaster. I usually caught the bus to and from work but occasionally walked if I was in the mood and the weather was good.

On one Tuesday evening, I get home and start preparing dinner. Then suddenly it struck me - for some inexplicable reason, I'd left the film in my editing room instead of handing it in for broadcast. I RAN all the way to the broadcaster (no buses at that time of night) and got the film to telecine with about five minutes to spare before broadcast. They didn't even have time to clean it. Luckily I was quite meticulous about wiping china marker marks off the film before taking it to mix so it was in a reasonably broadcastable state.

The producer was more than a bit cheesed off because they'd already found replacement material and had the studio presenter script and present it during rehearsals, when they realised that the weekly film segment wasn't going to materialise. Now they had to shuffle everything around again and revert to the original script. Anyhow, it all went off OK. Catastrophe averted although I still don't know why I had such a brain fart.

[Medea Fleecestealer]

It's funny how our brains can suddenly forget things and then just as suddenly jog our memories to avert a mishap. I must have made sure that sig tune tape went to the studio/OB's hundreds of times before then and after, but that one time nearly became a disaster.

Ah yes, the good old china marks. Doubt they get used these days either. A china pencil? What would you want a china pencil for? What is it anyway?! Aargh, I'm getting old.;)

[Irma2]

We used them to mark cutting points on film. Because we worked on reversal film which went straight to broadcast rather than going through a negative film lab process to generate a new print, the film had to be in a state where a brief chemical cleaning was all that was required to remove dust and marks. China markers had a wax which was quite easily removed chemically or even with just a bit of rubbing.

We also wore white cotton gloves to handle the film as fingerprints caused dust to adhere to the emulsion and were quite difficult to remove. Usually I'd just rub the white china marker wax off the film with my glove, even prior to cleaning.

Another quirk of film-to-air was that we had to double-splice all films. Usually when editing, you'd splice two shots together with clear tape that overlaps one frame either side of the cut. But you'd only apply it to one side of the film. For broadcast, you had to apply it to both sides to prevent the tension of the projector from breaking the tape at the splice.

The result was that each cut was a bit thicker than the film which preceded or came after it, due to having two layers of tape added to the thickness of the film. So each cut would jump slightly due to the tape hitting the pressure plate which holds the film in place while it's being fed through the projector. It would drive viewers crazy today but everybody just seemed to accept it in those days.

One of the guys in Video Tech was working with 2-inch tape which snapped. So, thinking he'd take a leaf from the film editors' book, he joined the tape at the break using Scotch tape. When he laced up the video tape and ran it through the player again, the impact of the tape hitting the video heads was like a low-slung Ferrari at high speed hitting a concrete pipe placed in the road. Twenty grand and new video heads later, his supervisor issued a communique that, in future, video technicians were not to try such stunts again. :D

The VT guys were quite cruel at times as well. The old machines required quite a substantial run-up before recording so the machine would place a "cue dot", an electronic signal on the tape which it would use as a reference to ensure that the machine was up to speed before kicking in to record mode. During one studio session with a religious programmes producer, one of the VT guys came into the control room pretending to be in a panic, explaining that he had lost his cue dot, the machine couldn't record without it - and could the producer help him find it? Eventually she was on her hands and knees, scrabbling around under the control desk searching vainly for the mythical cue dot.

Suffice it to say, producers weren't very technically savvy. As film editors, we'd play films backwards, or at high speeds, in order to get to a cutting point. I mean, yeah, the fast or backwards motion is funny the first time you see it. But when you do it for eight hours a day, it quickly loses its comic appeal. One of my colleagues always used to say "You know you're in for a long day's editing when, the first time you rewind or fast forward the film, the producer collapses in fits of laughter."

[adys]

since this is a best class topic....Is there someone who could tell me whats the "best class to have fun as a caster", I'm all for crazy stuff etc. pure fun, but also playable (Coop with friend) :)

[Medea Fleecestealer]

A Diviner (Spirit/Dream) might be a good one for you as Dream provides the Trance of Convalescence which helps boost both health and energy and will apply to your friend's toon as well as any pets you have. Also have a look at Poinas' Pwning with Spirit guide in the Spirit section of Classes to find out how to get the best from the Spirit mastery. Or if you like having a lot of pets running around, try a Ritualist (Dream/Nature). 3 wolves with enough +skills items to get Call of the Wild up to 18 points, Nymph to pepper them with bowshot and Nightmare to add confusion all round.

Cruel, Irma2, just cruel. Couldn't do the same thing in radio as producers were used to using the equipment. Bet you had a laugh though.:D

[wayahta]

To be concidered, i will probebly give higher rank to a toon played later more then the first ones as they got better gear, and i twink.
1. Spellbinder
2. Conjuror
3. Conqueror
4. Ritualist
5. Templar

got several more that actually are as good as these are. And even with better gear, its as a question how many buttons you can use on your mouse. Its actually easier to pick the 5 worst toons, some of them needs to be played carefulley, some of them can run straight forward until the game ends, whats better? Even more, whats more fun?