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iwantthehidra27
06-25-2010, 05:46 AM
This is the new(and hopefully official)thread for the Uber challenges,since it is abandoned.


The Uber Challenge

Information
Number of Challengers: 131
Deaths: 88
Normal Successes: 6
Epic Successes: 0
Legendary Successes: 0

Rules for The Uber Challenge

Defiler Mods allowed

1. Freeze time of day
2. Infinite Potion Stacking
3. Disable Zeus Speech
4. Show Hidden Prefixes/Suffixes
5. Show items toggle
6. Show all Damage

Live off The Land Rules

1. No buying from shops.
2. Only allowed stuff found on the ground.
3. Enchanters are allowed to make Artifacts and get rid of charms.
4. Selling is disallowed.
5. Potions and gold allowed.
6. Storage Area of caravan allowed, transfer area banned completely.
7. Mystics are banned. This means no respeccing!
8. Most importantly, gameplay has to be 100% Uber!

This is Uber Mod 1.0 by Munderbunny, no custom-made versions allowed. No cheating, no backing up save data files, no copying characters, etc. Twinking, (using items from other characters) is allowed, I recommend it, seeing as though Uber gives a -22% reduction to any requirements except level requirements. If you go untwinked that's obviously fine, as is untwinked with no potions. If you did xmax with 0 deaths then you are obviously very good, but Uber with 0 deaths? Impossible? We will soon find out. Anyone up for this suicidal challenge? Those who do it will be definitely worthy of praise and Uber status. Anyone is welcome to enter, but you must follow the rules. There is a link to the Uber Mod download at the bottom of this post.

If you want an extremely hard challenge, why not try no twinking, no potions. Also, why not try the Live Off The Land Challenge, (rules stated above.) A variant of this is the Diablo II's Iron Man Challenge, which is effectively the same, but with no re-runs, so no farming.

There are several defiler options allowed to aid you, they don't make the game unfair but may make it easier.

So,enter and have fun(if that's possible;))!

iwantthehidra27
06-25-2010, 06:12 AM
Twinked UBER


* Helikz - (Untouchable) 60 Diviner, R.I.P. Hades Palace Epic
* shattered.likeness - (+YAY TOAST+) 59 Warden, R.I.P. Act III Epic
* BeaverusIV - (Infernal Morte) 57 Elementalist, R.I.P. Act III Epic
* Runefang - (Runefang) 56 Thane, R.I.P. Typhon Epic
* siegefried2 - (Legolas) 53 Haruspex
* BeaverusIV - (Korcari) 53 Conqueror, R.I.P. Chimaera Epic
* Nuwine - (Syphoness) 49 Diviner
* BeaverusIV - (Orlais) 46 Assassin
* kenpa007 - (Aradia) 45 Diviner
* nzone - (Kimiko) 44 Assassin, R.I.P. Styx Normal
* iwantthehidra27 - (Brutus) 44 Conqueror, R.I.P. Secret Passage Normal
* Neflumio - (Goddess Jenna) 40 Spellbreaker (Abandoned)
* HainusVII - (Vihar Hasitas) 37 Seer, R.I.P. Rhodes Normal
* Runefang - (Eve) 35 Bone Charmer, R.I.P. Barmanu Normal
* Ravia - (Ravia) 32 Templar (Abandoned)
* iwantthehidra27 - (Uberdranios) 30 Harbinger, R.I.P. Sphinx Normal
* Arperum - (Uber Bane) 26 Hunter, R.I.P. Minotaur Lords Normal
* Stokes - (Boar Hatred) 25 Conqueror, R.I.P. Minotaur Normal
* Runefang - (Gabriel) 24 Seer
* Knivel - (Uber_Melina) 24 Summoner, R.I.P. Athens Catacombs Normal
* Runefang - (Raphael) 23 Hunter
* Runefang - (Aara) 23 Wanderer (Abandoned)
* Kir4 - (Kir4) 20 Magician, R.I.P. Gorgons Normal
* Nuwine - (Dunkala) 19 Seer, R.I.P. Cyclops Normal
* Stokes - (Houdini) 18 Magician, R.I.P. Charon's Cave Normal
* 4987354987 - (Atlant) 18 Conqueror, R.I.P. Gorgons Normal
* DavorMarin - (Undefetable) 16 Ranger
* Stokes - (Inthane) 16 Thane, R.I.P. Megara Normal
* Runefang - (Wormwood) 14 Seer
* Ravia - (Zoso) 14 Templar, R.I.P. Spartan Highlands Normal
* shattered.likeness - (Miss Anthropi) 12 Theurgist, R.I.P. Mycenaen Ruins
* podmike - (Big Stan) 12 Conqueror, R.I.P. Mycenaen Ruins
* bonobo4 - (Gaia) 11 Summoner, R.I.P. Nessus Normal
* Nuwine - (Sephrym) 10 Summoner
* tompster - (Ephieltes) 10 Wanderer, R.I.P. Boetia Normal
* bonobo4 - (Dionysius) 10 Ranger, R.I.P. Pellana Valley Normal
* iwantthehidra27 - (Yuri) 10 Harbinger
* Nuwine - (UberWineo) 8 Theurgist, R.I.P. Helos Cave Normal
* tompster - (Cassius) 7 Warrior
* kenpa007 - (Aradia) 7 Stormcaller, R.I.P. Helos Cave Normal
* bonobo4 - (Artemis) 6 Hunter
* Nuwine - (UberNuwine) 6 Seer, R.I.P. Helos Cave Normal
* Radact - (Liana) 5 Hunter, R.I.P. Helos Shaman Normal
* bonobo4 - (bonobo4) 3 Wanderer
* bonobo4 - (Athena) 3 Defender, R.I.P. Helos Normal
* bonobo4 - (Prometheus) 3 Pyromancer, R.I.P. Helos Normal
* bonobo4 - (Iris) 2 Stormcaller
* Hockeymaster195 - (UberHockey) 2 Hunter, R.I.P. Helos Normal
* bonobo4 - (Ouranos) 2 Seer, R.I.P. Helos Normal
* bonobo4 - (Pan) 2 Wanderer, R.I.P. Helos Normal

iwantthehidra27
06-25-2010, 06:14 AM
Untwinked UBER
*johnjov - (FallenOne) 61 Diviner
*Galadd - (Vanity 2) 57 Haruspex
*dozko - (Tactikus) 56 Haruspex, R.I.P. Epic Minotaur Lords
*johnjov - (Harbinger) 52 Conqueror, R.I.P Jade Palace
*Sponozza - (Sorry) 48 Prophet, R.I.P. Plains of Judgement Normal
*Sponozza - (Nisall) 43 Diviner, R.I.P. System 32
*Sponozza - (Scowls) 43 Templar, R.I.P. Act IV Normal
*Galadd - (Vanity) 40 Haruspex, R.I.P. Act III Normal
*Sponozza - (Niara) 36 Templar
*T.R. - (Shadow) 33 Brigand
*Deaus - (Deaus HC2) 32 Diviner, R.I.P. Egypt Normal
*T.R. - (Solar) 30 Haruspex
*Sponozza - (Cuttle) 27 Elementalist, R.I.P. System 32
*4987354987 - (Sparta) 27 Sage, R.I.P. Minotaur Normal
*Epitaph - (Epitaph) 26 Summoner
*T.R. - (TR U3) 25 Soothsayer, R.I.P. Greek Telkine Normal
*Knivel - (Uber_Meteora) 22 Conjurer
*Grynio - (Iluzjonistka) 21 Illusionist, R.I.P. Gorgons Normal
*podmike - (Howler) 21 Wanderer, R.I.P. Gorgons Normal
*T.R. - (TR Ueber02) 20 Seer, R.I.P. Parnassus Cave Normal
*Sponozza - (Tyr) 20 Elementalist, R.I.P. Delphi Normal
*Deaus - (DeausSS) 18 Soothsayer
*Epitaph - (Abomination) 17, R.I.P. Olive Grove Normal
*Nevre - (Wu Wei) 17 Stormcaller
*Arperum - (Yorgos) 17 Seer
*podmike - (Vengeful Kami) 15 Magician, R.I.P. Old Eleusis Normal
*Nevre - (CallToArms) 14 Spellbreaker, R.I.P. System 32
*infinity at end - (InfinityAtEnd) 14 Slayer, R.I.P. Cyclops Normal
*T.R. - (TR Uber01) 14 Seer, R.I.P. Spartan Woods Normal
*Deaus - (Deaus Wanderer) 14 Wanderer, R.I.P. Polyphemus Normal
*Arperum - (Asator) 14 Conjurer, R.I.P. Tegea Normal
*Deaus - (Deaus HC) 13 Theurgist, R.I.P. Megara Normal
*Sponozza - 13 Guardian
*Stokes - (Burnt Toast) 13 Ritualist, R.I.P. Tegea Normal
*Vexnae - (Bess) 12 Ranger
*iwantthehidra27 - (Uberdranios) 12 Harbinger
*iwantthehidra27 - (Quetzalquatl) 12 Harbinger, R.I.P. Nessus Normal
*Stokes - (Jill IV) 12 Evoker, R.I.P. Spartan Camp Normal
*iwantthehidra27 - (Dranios2) 12 Harbinger, R.I.P. Pellana Valley Normal
*Arperum - (Madurna) 12 Hunter, R.I.P.
*Grynio - (Galadriel) 11 Brigand
*Knivel - (Uber_Patronus) 11 Haruspex
*DRADISContact - (Shane Thanos) 11 Haruspex (Abandoned)
*Sponozza - (Smiley) 11 Prophet, R.I.P.
*The Fallen One - (Fade) 11 Magician, R.I.P.
*4987354987 - (Hannibal) 10 Theurgist
*Sponozza - (A'lan) 10 Druid
*mendigo - (ChosenOne) 10 Rogue
*Lifeforce - (Wrath) 9 Hunter
*podmike - (Slyk) 9 Rogue, R.I.P. Megara Beach Normal
*BrotherRatcliff - (kerrisa) 9 Ritualist, R.I.P. Laconia Normal
*iwantthehidra27 - (Uberkleener) 9 Warrior, R.I.P. Far Plains of ... Laconia
*Arperum - (Lews Therin) 8 Diviner
*iwantthehidra27 - (Cryasis) 8 Harbinger, R.I.P. Laconia Hills Normal
*Stokes - (Zippy) 8 Evoker, R.I.P. Laconia Normal
*Lifeforce - 8 Ranger, R.I.P. Helos Cave Normal
*Arperum - (Einherjer) 8 Theurgist, R.I.P. Helos Cave Normal
*Epitaph - (Abomination) 7 Warlock
*iwantthehidra27 - (Uberman) 7 Seer
*Lifeforce - (Silver) 5 Hunter
*Lifeforce - (Selena) 5 Hunter, R.I.P. Helos Farmland Normal
*BrotherRatcliff - (Khantos) 2 Seer

iwantthehidra27
06-25-2010, 06:15 AM
No Potions UBER

1. mikhailtk - (Striker) 39 Illusionist, R.I.P. Act III Normal
2. mikhailtk - (Rexas) 38 Haruspex, R.I.P. Yeti Boss Act III Normal
3. mikhailtk - (Archon) 24 Diviner
4. mikhailtk - 23 Ritualist
5. GIAMarcos - (Puppetmaster) 17 Summoner
6. mikhailtk - 17 Wanderer
7. mikhailtk - 17 Soothsayer
8. mikhailtk - (Shocker) 16 Prophet
9. mikhailtk - 14 Summoner
10. mikhailtk - 12 Haruspex
11. GIAMarcos - 7 Wanderer, R.I.P. Helos Normal
12. GIAMarcos - 2 Seer, R.I.P.

LOTL UBER

1. BeaverusIV - (Dante) 30 Assassin (Iron Man Challenge)
2. Arperum - (Waylander II) 22 Ritualist
3. shaposh - (???) 22 Templar R.I.P Ancient Limos
3. HainusVII - (Salando Wolfus) 21 Illusionist (Iron Man Challenge), R.I.P. Gorgon Queen Caves Normal
4. CROSSDI - (Soul Survivor) 21 Summoner
5. mikhailtk - 14 Summoner
6. Radact - (Dudemeister) 12 Wanderer, R.I.P. Mycenaean Ruins Normal
7. Arperum - (Waylander) 10 Wanderer, R.I.P. Pellana Valley Normal
8. Radact - (Jess) 6 Wanderer, R.I.P. Helos Cave Normal
9. Stokes - (Ouch II) 6 Seer, R.I.P. Helos Shaman Normal
10. Stokes - (Meera Reed) 6 Wanderer, R.I.P. Helos Cave Normal
11. bonobo4 - (LOL) 2 Defender
12. Radact - (John) 2 Defender, R.I.P. Helos Normal

The Fallen One
06-25-2010, 12:20 PM
Level 25 on Isiline plox.

Not that it makes a difference as far as the leader board is concerned. :p

Cyphrus
06-28-2010, 09:12 PM
Hi guys, I'd like to throw my hat into the ring if ya wouldn't mind.

Note that I am in fact new to both the board and somewhat to the game, but have lots of experience and hours invested into games like the Diablo series (and related mods), and gaming in general. The vanilla game seemed boring to me and, in all honesty, while researching the game seeing the threads on the Uber Mod challenge are what really got me interested in the game in the first place. I've fiddled around and have become pretty comfortable with the Uber Mod on my own, and think I'm ready to take the challenge seriously. I'm loving the game and am quite determined to top the leader boards, and seeing as I have until September before I start classes again, I hope to show off my abilities, without inflating my ego too much. ;)

My character is named Immortal, Uber Mod LOTL Rules (Because if I'm going to choose between no potions or no shop, I'd rather get to use potions. God help me if I ever decide to start this doing both lol), Untwinked (haven't been playing long enough to get cool super equipment anyways, and hey, adds to the challenge to show off my skills ;) ). I'll be starting off in Defense and moving into Guardian, and as the name might suggest I'm going to basically max out everything for survival. TitanCalc for what I'm pretty much looking at up to level 55 (points after that don't matter as much, and will probably just go into neat offensive things. The point is survivability: http://www.titancalc.com/TitanCalc.asp?mastery=Guardian&master1=4&master2=5&sa=0&m1=4-16-0-12-8-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&m2=32-0-12-0-6-12-12-0-0-6-6-1-1-0-0-8-0-6-12-8-0-0 ).

Starting off at level 1 as of today. Hope there are still people interested in this challenge and I'm not all alone, though! Lol, wish me luck I suppose!

dochawk
07-06-2010, 02:12 PM
Jsut a quick update on Sting: He's now level 11 and clearing out the Tegea springs. Had a stupidly close call fighting the centaurs that involved a net and my health dropping to 7. But (fingers crossed) still going strong. Untwinked is tough though, I'm having trouble finding decent archer equipment.

dochawk
07-08-2010, 02:29 AM
So, Sting met and untimely demise to some group of dudes with stars above their heads just outside of Megara. He was level 13. I'm thinking that Uber is fun, but really not as fun as XMAX in turns of reasonable playability. I could probably take a toon a lot further than Sting got, but my patience runs thin pretty quick when I have to chug potions and kite to get through baddies whose level is like 5 below mine. My level 27 conq named Hercules in XMAX is much more fun, and he is untwinked, so its just the right amount of difficulty ATM.

Anyhow, I'm putting TQ down for a while, maybe I'll try again before school starts, seems unlikely though.

Deathshadow
07-08-2010, 03:19 AM
Sign me up for twinked xmax .
Boring - Level 24 Conqurer , Egypt , Normal , Library Vault .

Edit - Delete that , i forgot i died with it couple of times , I ll probably start new one . Will post my progress here.

Radact
07-16-2010, 05:27 AM
Zomg, I shall be re-entering the contest - I have been absent for ages and am sad to see that bonobo4 is no longer here with us :(

It looks I've been knocked off my tiny-tiny-perch in LOTL - Onward!!!

bonobo4
07-20-2010, 07:39 AM
Hello, all. I see that I am missed and that this thread hasn't been updated in some time. Oh dear. Well just posting to let you all know I'm fine and everyting's well. Have fun with Uber! :D

johnjov
08-15-2010, 11:52 AM
Its awesome to see you guys doing a gr8 work over here

Not sure if repeated in another thread, what should be done to join the challenge formally? Can we start with any character directly right from the unlocked legendary difficulty or work our way up from Normal difficulty?

Any pointers or advise would be most nice. Thanks!

Arperum
08-15-2010, 01:44 PM
You have to start from scratch, so a new character, no just skipping normal or epic or something.

For xmax, post in the other thread.

johnjov
08-15-2010, 05:22 PM
Thanks for the quick response, as I had previously assumed starting with a fresh, untwinked character on unlocked legendary difficulty since it is more convenient.

Some last few queries concerning this issue are -

1) Do I have to post my progress here for playthrough on normal & epic difficulties?
The problem being it could be waste of thread space for something unrelated with
the Uber challenge that is meant to be on legendary difficulty.

2) Also what additional details are needed other than the text updates of character
name, level, area which is required to verify an untampered (Mastery & skill
change in TQDefiler), untwinked with no pot character?

3) Finally, I noticed the thread heading with XmaX and previous similar threads have
become stale, is it possible to post a link to the current, official leaderboard
thread?

iwantthehidra27
08-15-2010, 05:49 PM
I'm happy someone posted here:D.

1)Yes,you have to.This is not xmax challenge,when you are credited for your progress ony from epic onwards.Reason is,few guys have made it to epic,and none yet to legendary.Though there still is a hope in the untwinked section,but the guy with that char hasn't updated for ages.

2)I will need screenies from time to time,and for untwinked no-pots section I also need a screenie of TQ Defiler's "Misc" section of your char.Also,vids are welcome.

3)For the xmax thread,check out the "Xmax challenge-redux" thread.Even though the updater isn't there(he doesn't have his own PC anymore) I still post my updates in there,and another guy does as well.

johnjov
08-15-2010, 07:32 PM
LoL.....wonderful to see a few ppl awake to keep this thread alive! funny some games can outlive their moderators :P

Heaps of thanks for the elaborate reply.......but read some posts that a uber mod does not exist for community patch version 1.17......herez the link - http://www.titanquest.net/tq-forum/threads/34690-help-with-uber-mod

any idea where to get the latest uber mod? does it stick to "Live Off the Land Rules"?

the Xmax thread you pointed out is perfect!!!....can you take temporary control of the thread?...hope the updater returns in time when your character becomes epic :D

most probably will try this first if an uber mod is unavailable....how long is your update window? thought of collecting a bunch of screenies at different game times, if my char lives to tell the tale ;)

iwantthehidra27
08-16-2010, 07:25 AM
Uber mod can be turned on even with the 1.17 patch,BUT AFAICR it will run with the previous fanpatch.

For Uber mod,you can download it from here:http://www.titanquest.net/tq-forum/threads/26288-Release-UBER-Mod-1.0

Arperum
08-16-2010, 12:16 PM
Mostly take screenies full of death bosses, and with your char showing off that he still has zero deaths.

Also, you can follow any of the rulesets, be it twinked, untwinked, untwinked no pots, live of the land, or even iron man (live of the land without any reruns).

johnjov
08-16-2010, 03:48 PM
Tats cool Arperum & iwantthehidra27!!

@iwantthehidra27 : Yeah, you're right :) Ubermod works with 1.17 patch

@Arperum : Thanks for the tip. I'll display screenies of all the Act bosses in Normal & Epic (worth posting if I make it till there alive). In legendary, make sure even the sidequest bosses are posted.

Finally decided to go for the Uber Underlord challenge! Its worth learning from mistakes with the toughest bosses :D

Arperum
08-16-2010, 04:12 PM
Uber underlord would be the other topic :D also, just post screenies from polyphemus, gorgons, mino lord, and telkine for act 1. major bosses for other acts too.

johnjov
08-16-2010, 04:39 PM
not sure which is harder - uber or uberunderlord. Lot of skills have been tweaked in the uberunderlord mod, wondering if they are overpowered ;)

Anyway will take your advice & continue in the other thread. if the challenge fails, will post screenies of my dead hero corpses too LOL

shaposh
08-17-2010, 08:07 PM
Uber Underlord is easier, especially for melee. Or start with Spirit and enjoy easy ride with powerfull summons.

I recently decided to try Vanilla Uber LOTL/No potion/ Untwinked. Just to see how far i can go. Now lvl 17 Seer in Ambrosos village.

Interesting, how much DA monstere have in Uber? Is it even possible to play melee non-warfare? Harmstring is true Uber skill.

johnjov
08-18-2010, 04:21 AM
Thanks for the interesting piece of info. All this time I thought I was playing the hardest difficulty with uber underlord :D

Amazing, you made it this far! How did you manage to escape being slaughtered by mob crowds with no pots? LOTL & untwinked are quite stringent but doable.

About twinking, does it mean anything else other than transferring combat gear?

With the right offensive skills, DA could be less of an issue but guessing it should be slightly higher by a percentage for similar character level. Hybrid melee using non-warfare skills would mostly be hit-and-run tactics. It would be a pain if monsters chase the hero beyond the invisible wall!

iwantthehidra27
08-18-2010, 06:38 AM
To shaposh:
It is possible to melee without Warfare,but you would need tons of OA boosting gear lategame-the highest DA I know of is a Dactyl's:520 from dex+~1120 from OA/DA boosters=~1640 DA.But there are several hero monsters:((and possibly bosses).So I suggest around 1500 OA lategame.Even a Harbinger has trouble achieving those numbers,a regular one is at ~900.So you need a few Ferocious/Savage/whatever items from the uber orbs to get to 1500.

Also,I suggest boosting str to the req of your highest req piece of gear,and all in dex until you can hit every time or defeat the Telkines,after that,boost str and dex in a ratio of around 3:1(or 2:1 if you're going to twink your SBC,to make up for the super low strength);with a club/sword/axe/shield melee char,I'd say once you get to 400 dex,stop pumping dex and focus on str.500 for spear Hunters,but they have the almighty Flush Out,so they won't need the extra boost from Ferocious/Savage/...:evil:

The problem is,Hamstring comes into effect when you hit someone,if you can't hit anything then you won't Hamstring anything:cry:.

Also,LOTL seers that don't use energy potions=:rockon:

To johnjov:
Twinking means transfering any type of equipment from a char to another one.This
includes:whites,yellows,greens,blues and purples,artifacts and relics.And MI greens:D.

Also,IMO DA is a lost cause in UBER.With 1300 DA you'll still get critted sometimes,but crits are more of a nuisance,even in Uber(unless there's a Hamstring critter thrown into the mix).So,unless you're going to go to ~1800 DA or even more(~2000 DA,which was the melee immunity step) DA is less noticeable.Even though with Uber gear that kind of DA may be easier to reach.

OTOH,if you're melee,OA must be kept high all the time.

And yes,vanilla Uber is harder than Uber Underlord(unless you choose the 16-sec cooldown one:surprised:)

johnjov
08-18-2010, 07:00 AM
Your experience is indeed valuable and thanks so much for the info!!:rockon:

I wonder in UBER if DA cannot save the hero at late level, does it mean criticals by legendary bosses are one-shot kills on melee characters? It seems 100% health regen + high health is the only way to survive. In such a case, conqueror builds wouldn't be top notch compared to dream-related builds in uber-mod TQ

Lately been hearing of "DoN"....is it the new difficulty mod after Uber?

iwantthehidra27
08-18-2010, 07:34 AM
DA is good if you can get it to 1.8 k.And I strongly suggest to up it in UL Uber(where crits are up to 3x the normal dmg).HP regen isn't going to save you,instead huge amounts of AdctH will.I'd reccomend around 50% AdctH for Legendary Uber if you can't afford 2,6 k DA+ and 100% CTAP.And as much HP as possible,yes.

But DA in Uber is so hard to get,I'd rather get damage resistance and avoidance(CTAP,Dodge).Esp with Veteran's being so easy to get from Uber Loot(8-15% DR from Vet's equipment+20% DR from Ignore Pain+12% DR from Dionysos relics in uber rings...woot!!!).

Double-or-Nothing is what Uber is built off,just no double-xp,xmax mobs,6x bosses,much stronger orb bosses(esp Charon),and most of all...UBER LOOT:rockon:

I won't go that far and say crits from leg bosses mean death.Considering my tests had ~6-7k HP(less if I put on my Bloodthorn Leggings of Alacrity) and stood up to some of the 6x bosses just fine with tons of AdctH,I'd say what you're looking for is a uberloot green wpn of the betrayer socketed with a relic with 66% less AS completion bonus.That,and 50%+ AdctH,gave me good staying power.But you must always be on the move.

johnjov
08-18-2010, 08:22 AM
your round-off numbers indeed serve as a good starting point for noobs like me
would have gone for Dreams' ToE aura if AdctH is important!.....yikes I will have to stick with my defender for now....funny how I used to casually ignore DR for Life Leech and now realize the folly....

indeed now it makes sense....DoN in uber is the challenge....alas, my normal hero rarely finds such good loot you speak of....will keep that in mind during the re-runs....:o

bosses do scare me even on the move...6x is a nightmare and health regen restores a lot of hp on the move in contrast to taking damage.....but you have a valid point! without AdctH, I'll only keep running to my grave:D

ok my UberUnderlord char is dead, strangled by LvL 10 trapper mob with my poor LvL9 hero at Laconea

starting a char for the vanilla Uber TQ, untwinked with pots hardcore gamestyle........

Harbinger (Defender) LvL 9 - Helos

do you need anything else for now?

iwantthehidra27
08-18-2010, 09:30 AM
your round-off numbers indeed serve as a good starting point for noobs like me
would have gone for Dreams' ToE aura if AdctH is important!.....yikes I will have to stick with my defender for now....funny how I used to casually ignore DR for Life Leech and now realize the folly....

ToE is crap.Try ToC,the 20% damage absorbtion at ultimate level is very useful.ToW is very good in Normal,with a maxed Lucid Dream,but from Normal Act 3 onwards(in Uber) it becomes weaker and weaker.And the resistance reduction is percentage,meaning it won't add much to your damage.And you don't know how useful it is to cut damage in Uber.


indeed now it makes sense....DoN in uber is the challenge....alas, my normal hero rarely finds such good loot you speak of....will keep that in mind during the re-runs....:o

You can only find uber loot from orbs.


bosses do scare me even on the move...6x is a nightmare and health regen restores a lot of hp on the move in contrast to taking damage.....but you have a valid point! without AdctH, I'll only keep running to my grave:D

Unless you can get ~500 HP regen in Normal(or more,like kenpa007's retired diviner,see the original uber thread,~50th page)
HP regen won't help you with all the damage you receive.50 dmg crits from a satyr in Helos..HP regen ain't gonna cut it.


ok my UberUnderlord char is dead, strangled by LvL 10 trapper mob with my poor LvL9 hero at Laconea
starting a char for the vanilla Uber TQ, untwinked with pots hardcore gamestyle........
Harbinger (Defender) LvL 9 - Helos
do you need anything else for now?

No,not at all.Let me add him.

shaposh
08-18-2010, 10:14 AM
To shaposh:
The problem is,Hamstring comes into effect when you hit someone,if you can't hit anything then you won't Hamstring anything:cry:.
Also,LOTL seers that don't use energy potions=:rockon:


All you need is to hit once.With warfare, you have Weapon Handling, so achieving enough OA to hit is not such a big problem as with Defence/Dream.
Once hit, monster is an easy pray.

I was thinking and deciding betwean Templar and Spellbreaker (Haruspex is out of question as i don't play Hunting, ever. ) Spellbreaker would be awesome build for melee, strongest melee in Uber possibly, but will be weak againts ranged attackers.
Templar can achieve ranged immunity with Quick Recovery (and some -recharge possibly to have it permanent), but going to have problems hitting stuff in melee. Tough choice...

Seer is to become Templar (he is now at level 20 at Phythian Caves). I don't need much energy, maxed ToW and run around monsters, mostly trying to avoid hits. Didn't use Distortion Wave.

shaposh
08-18-2010, 10:26 AM
Amazing, you made it this far! How did you manage to escape being slaughtered by mob crowds with no pots? LOTL & untwinked are quite stringent but doable.


You need a pet. And forget about melee, stay ranged. Get a bow/stuff with life leech, with elemental damage for undead.

iwantthehidra27
08-18-2010, 10:37 AM
My untwinked Harbinger that I tested with Leg act 1 (and epic Act 4) items had 950 OA and 1300 DA.With Wpn Training and Premonition.

johnjov
08-18-2010, 01:12 PM
You need a pet. And forget about melee, stay ranged. Get a bow/stuff with life leech, with elemental damage for undead.

good you had tested it out! thought pets wouldn't last this long....my defender is having a hard time with slow progress....will have to stick to "iwantthehidra27" idea of DR & DA.....with high OA, bows do a better work than common swords/axes/staves for good criticals though strangely its description says very slow.....think %pierce is doing a good work

shaposh
08-18-2010, 01:17 PM
OA has no effect on bows, only affect melee attacks. Pets get high bonus in Uber.

johnjov
08-18-2010, 02:14 PM
i never knew that...if that is the case, what may affect the speed & criticals of bows other than the weapon characteristics?

do you have any techniques to escape the ensnare ability(of satyrs) & battle standard(of centaurs) other than the obvious hit & run? :D

iwantthehidra27
08-18-2010, 02:24 PM
Get hunting with Trail Blazing(1 pt there) for the first one,or zig-zag.for the second you can only hit&run.

shaposh
08-18-2010, 02:28 PM
Bows have no criticals... criticals can only be inflicted in melee. OA/DA has no effect on bows and staves.

There is resistance that can help to reduce ensnare duration, other than that, you have to dodge. Once you learn it, it is not very difficult.

johnjov
08-18-2010, 03:11 PM
thanks to you all guys for the info.....after losing my seer in UberUnderlord, I was pretty much shaken and decided to go for the defence mastery resistances in Ironwill (as told by shaposh)

as for the centaurs, it was funny seeing the elder & his minions beat me to pulp.............those who play the Occult mod, they do have a debuff spell that can remove status effects and quickly destroy the flag....

in terms of bows, hunters do have a better advantage than magical melee weapons with consistent dps I think

shaposh
08-18-2010, 03:51 PM
I consider Hunting and Nature overpowered. I don't play Hunting, and Nature only as a core for petmaster.

Btw, my Templar is lvl 22 past Pythian caves. This time i finally learned how to deal with them... now its easy ( thanks to Nightamare). Will stay and farm them for a while, untill i can get SBC.

johnjov
08-18-2010, 05:02 PM
Not sure about nature being overpowered....maybe with warfare & hunting, yes....the pets are quiet weak against 6x bosses with briar wards easily destructible and poor poison retaliation

SBC....another uber gear? :)

Arperum
08-18-2010, 05:50 PM
SBC: Stonebinder Cuff's: Gorgon bosses MI that gives +1/2/3 to all skills.

shaposh
08-18-2010, 05:55 PM
SBC is for StoneBinder Cuffs.

I decided to drop LOTL, not my idea of the fan game. Just usual Hardcore/No potions mod.

johnjov
08-18-2010, 09:37 PM
I agree....at least you made it this far with LotL and thats worth a mention.....my conqueror build still struggling with satyrs...not sure if I would last long with Nessus :o

shaposh
08-19-2010, 03:45 AM
I agree....at least you made it this far with LotL and thats worth a mention.....my conqueror build still struggling with satyrs...not sure if I would last long with Nessus :o

If you play with potions, and you cant play Conquere without , it should be very easy, i can't see the problem.

BTW, you should know that actual shield block in melee depends on your DA. Information should be around somethere. If you are critted a lot, your shield block will also be very low.

iwantthehidra27
08-19-2010, 04:48 AM
No,actual shield block depends on Dex.Block=x*(1+Dex\1000),where x is your shield block with all the boni on your armor,shields,arties,jewelry and skills.Only as far as I can remember.

shaposh
08-19-2010, 05:21 AM
No,actual shield block depends on Dex.Block=x*(1+Dex\1000),where x is your shield block with all the boni on your armor,shields,arties,jewelry and skills.Only as far as I can remember.

This is against ranged attacks. So it is easy to achieve 100% block against ranged.
Melee block calculated using another formula, and depends on attacker OA and defender DA. In Uber, there monsters have high OA compared to player DA, it is hard to achieve 100% melee block.

iwantthehidra27
08-19-2010, 06:17 AM
Yea,I forgot to check that.But does it mean that shield block can decrease because of low DA?

johnjov
08-19-2010, 06:57 AM
I see there is a good discussion going on here b/w ranged and melee block


If you play with potions, and you cant play Conquere without , it should be very easy, i can't see the problem.

BTW, you should know that actual shield block in melee depends on your DA. Information should be around somethere. If you are critted a lot, your shield block will also be very low.

My conqueror build is level 11 with skill points spread in warfare/defense. I have a DA of around 180 with armour 82, yet a mob of trappers can still royally beat me to near death with their spear/shield combo. I have not yet obtained Battle standard & Quick recovery, so the trouble is with no mob control skills for my sword/shield hero in Uber. War Horn does not offer significant stun duration. Hence, I doubt if shield block only depends on DA.

iwantthehidra27
08-19-2010, 07:43 AM
Shield block isn't the only thing that should concern you.Shield recovery time should.3 seconds(or 2.5) without QR...Baaaad...You need as much +skills as you can get,then get max QR and max Focus for ~50%+ block chance and 1/4 second cooldown,meaing you'll block a lot.And remember:the easiest way to get +skills for an untwinked Conqueror is:Aegis of Laconia(epic shield,can be found as early as Helos)+Divine/Sacred ammy+Hallowed helm+SBC!

As soon as I get to Act 3(and find a Divine ammy/Hallowed helm:cool:) I'll continue a level 3 Warrior I started in Uber,Harbinger to be,untwinked.

shaposh
08-19-2010, 07:48 AM
Yea,I forgot to check that.But does it mean that shield block can decrease because of low DA?

It can be much lower than displayed value. Here the math is explained in details:
http://www.titanquest.net/tq-forum/threads/5274-Found-Shield-Block-Formula

Simply put, every 100 DA below attacker OA reduces shield block by 5%. Some monsters can greatly reduce or nullify your DA, for example Minotaur Kings with Onslaught.

shaposh
08-19-2010, 07:52 AM
BTW, my lvl 22 templar died from 6x Ancient Limos (in Athens). I was foolish enough to PS them all et once having zero vitality resist. I had 2k life and could not get out of this spot alive :)

johnjov
08-19-2010, 07:52 AM
LoL....yikes...I'm too far away from a mystic to reallocate points....will keep a note of it....thanks!!

are you sure about the aegis of laconia shield? I've farmed this place like ten times to get to LvL 11, or am I missing some particular technique?

Noticed experience grows faster for consecutive kills & rare item drop rates are for near death to max. kill encounters

shaposh
08-19-2010, 08:09 AM
Conqueror would have a very hard time starting in Uber. No pets and no decent AOE skills. I'd forget about blocking and concentrate on attack and warfare mastery, getting and maxing Weapon Handling and Harmstring.

iwantthehidra27
08-19-2010, 08:58 AM
I didn't say to get high block at level 11:eek:

I said that at level 25-30,when you're past the telkine,you can build up a good QR and Focus and start being able to withstand damage.

Yea,shaposh is right,I'd start with Wpn Training and Onslaught maxxed,1 pt battle rage,then move up the tree,1 pt Warwind and a few in Battle Standard,then maxx Hamstring and get Cross Cut for best results.Also you can use Onslaught+Hamstring on Nessus with a bow to lower his DA without taking risks.

And the shield is an epic,it has a very low chance to drop but it can drop in act 1.I got a few of them.All thrown into the garbage bin as my Uber Conqueror was heavily twinked and didn't need it,and my second one got a Trigonos Shield of Destruction from the terra cota quest(Act 1 epic+ shield in Act 3 normal...juicy) and he is untwinked.Not that I did find one from him.

My untwinked xmax hardcore Harbinger got one from Megalesios,but he's a DW-er,so meh.

johnjov
08-19-2010, 09:17 AM
nay, never meant high block level but enough to stop criticals from satyr trappers! furthermore defence + onslaught is a drain on energy reserves, even worse than my hybrid meele warriors...then imagine how much QR & focus would need....without infinite potion mod, I would be a sure goner by now...

does warwind have any use for sword/shield style? It said - 25% damage, which meant less armour protection I believe

ok that makes sense about the rare shield, I remember my Ritualist obtaining one in the Orient for Trigonos Shield....Man, if your TQ vault was made public, I would have raided it by now :D

iwantthehidra27
08-19-2010, 09:25 AM
Don't even think about stopping crits this early!Like everything has around 400-600 OA,and my Harbinger barely hit ~350 OA/DA in late Egypt.

Warwind is pretty weak with sword and shield,but it's nearly overpowered with a DW-er once you get your hands on 2 good wpns.No,the -25% damage is just that,-25% damage on a War Wind.

And I don't really put everything in TQvault.I only put there stuff that I duplicated for my xmax twinkers.Though there are a few OP items in there.

johnjov
08-19-2010, 10:29 AM
Thanks for sharing your hero experience! :)

Do you have any idea how to minimize damage from magical attacks such as harpies, hags and Liches using attributes other than improving resistances? Do their attacks count as ranged projectiles for shield block?

I got first my rare item....a brute hammer!? :(

iwantthehidra27
08-19-2010, 12:44 PM
Some do,some not.Staff attacks count as projectiles,those thunderballs the harpies throw at you...I have no idea.The Storm Nimbus aura of the harpies,that is a buff and increases dmg,so it's classified as whatever the type of attack the creature is using-and doesn't apply to spells.

johnjov
08-19-2010, 03:45 PM
not a problem at all....I only wanted to check if armour & DA are included for damage from creature spells such as Typhon's meteor shower

johnjov
08-20-2010, 08:53 AM
Thanks to you guys, I've been able to subdue Nessus....if it were not for DA and DR, I would have been boiled meat :D

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Now in LvL 13 Conqueror in Spartan war camp for excessive farming before Megara & Polyphemus

shaposh
08-20-2010, 09:50 AM
Hm, i started another Templar today, this time just "Hardcore/ No potions/ Untwinked". Hi's lvl 19, Compare kill count :)

johnjov
08-20-2010, 10:07 AM
Man, shaposh, you're amazing!;)
In 9 hours, you reached polyphemus, killed ~4500 enemies, created an artifact, dealt ~500 dps & mostly uncharmed equipment!

How is it possible to build your character this fast and survive the tough enemies ahead with lower levels? just another dumb question :D

PS: funny you had given up your previous build, seeing that you had done comparatively better :)

shaposh
08-20-2010, 10:33 AM
I am at the Parnassus now.
The secret is to start from the dream and rush for Trance of Wrath, then max it.
Nightmare is a key in this strategy - untill around Ambrosos village, he did the most killings, he even contributed most to Cyclops elimination, while i was running around avoiding his deadly attacks, he did the job. With all per jewelry, of course. Nightmare will use his "bite" attack if you give him pet jewelry.

johnjov
08-20-2010, 10:41 AM
Thanks a lot shaposh...there is equal strategy here than in any RTS games...:surprised:

all this time, I was like dragging the game inch-by-inch by playing solo & starting with defense, I would love to try your technique & see how fast TQ can move......did you have to kill 6x cyclops? man, thats even worse than the Typhon run :o

shaposh
08-20-2010, 10:52 AM
All bosses are 6x in Uber. You don't have to kill Cyplops, but why not? You need to lure them one by one and deal with them. You have to use ranged attacks or magic - don't even think about meleing them.

If you decide to try Templar or any Class with Dream mastery in Uber, start from the dream, get Nithmare to lvl 5 asap, give him 1 point confuse and 3 pieces of pet jewelry (don't use vitality dmg, they are useless against undead). Resist taking any other skills, including Distortion Wave, and rush for ToW. This is "No potion" strategy. If you use potions, energy is not a problem, Distortion Wave with maxed Psyonic Immolation will work better.

johnjov
08-20-2010, 11:25 AM
Lol, I remember in Normal when I tried meeleing cyclops....chugged at least 10 potions and he didnt allow me to run away with his seismic shockwave.....anyway its far better than closed room Minotaur lords & monstrous beast encounters!!!

is it true, once Nightmare gains level 5 he has a new psychic power ability which is very good at crowd control? yep, elemental damage better for pets :). Heard ToW becomes least powerful at higher levels, if following LoTL gamestyle, cannot respec them at all. For me potions is least worry compared to poor gear :(

shaposh
08-21-2010, 08:34 AM
Those SBC are damn hard to get... I have leveled from 21 to 26 trying to get them from Gorgons and still no luck.

johnjov
08-21-2010, 09:12 AM
talking about bad luck, TQ has no interest in providing me with any gear that boosts elemental resistance against maenead's magical attacks!

johnjov
08-21-2010, 06:49 PM
Update:

Harbinger (conqueror) LvL 18 - Halcyon coast

yay...finally bashed all polyphemus to death!...wondering how hard it would be on leg :(1624

shaposh
08-22-2010, 02:55 AM
Finally i got SBC, in the process leveled from 21 to 28! It was very unlucky farming...
At the Athens:

johnjov
08-22-2010, 03:29 AM
+1 to all skills does not appear unlucky at all ;)

Arperum
08-22-2010, 09:58 AM
That's a basic thing for SBC's. the fact that he had to farm from lvl 21 to 28 is unlucky, mostly because it is uber(wich gives a hell lot of gorgon queens).

johnjov
08-22-2010, 03:32 PM
If it was on time challenge, I would agree...but LvL 28 means you can smack the way through all opponents easier than being on LvL 21......:rolleyes:

in fact I have noticed rare item drops increases when the hero is overpowered in a particular area!

johnjov
08-23-2010, 07:26 PM
UPDATE Untwinked(with pots) LEADERBOARD:

Harbinger (Conqueror) - LvL 23 Pythian caves

Its quite hard when the gorgons heal each other and the hero gets all the bashing!
dubt ever re-run this area, even for SBC!...will be fine with the aegis of laconia for now :)

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johnjov
08-24-2010, 03:41 AM
got SBC luckily while farming in pythian caves!......

How long to keep the 'Aegis of Laconia' & SBC till its usefulness is outlived?

PS: +1 skills are tempting, but the low armor rating makes the build weak

shaposh
08-24-2010, 05:29 AM
These guys are harder than Telkines:

shaposh
08-24-2010, 06:00 AM
got SBC luckily while farming in pythian caves!......

How long to keep the 'Aegis of Laconia' & SBC till its usefulness is outlived?

PS: +1 skills are tempting, but the low armor rating makes the build weak

Youre lucky!
Aegis is good for +1 skills, but low blocking and lack of good mods will make it obsolete by act 3.
Normal SBC armor is average, insert boar hide in it and it should suffice for normal.

Arperum
08-24-2010, 06:22 AM
These guys are harder than Telkines:

That was my first death ever in TQ, also my first xmax challenge char death.

I have exactly 1 character wich doesn't play in xmax/uber, all the rest does. And once death, they mostly don't play anymore.

johnjov
08-24-2010, 06:41 AM
Youre lucky!
Aegis is good for +1 skills, but low blocking and lack of good mods will make it obsolete by act 3.
Normal SBC armor is average, insert boar hide in it and it should suffice for normal.

Thanks Shaposh! SBC armor & aegis shield in normal indeed is average, but once the passive skills are maxed they do provide a superb boost........anyway will follow your advise as it makes more sense, hope there are more gear out there in Act 3 & Act 4 with the +skill mod :D

shaposh
08-24-2010, 06:43 AM
They can be lured out of the room and dealt with one on one.
Compared with telkines, they have strong melee attack. Telkines, one on one, are very easy if you use skill disruption (With resistance reduction. Thats what makes ToW so great.) They have no melee attack. Scarabs will hit hard in melee, and use deadly poison at range.

johnjov
08-24-2010, 06:46 AM
These guys are harder than Telkines:

Was that the last of all the scarabs?.....in non-uber Normal itself, they were such a pain with the poison and leech

Good you made it out alive :)

Arperum
08-24-2010, 07:30 AM
The worst thing is their slow. you can't evade nothing anymore once you are hit with it, and with 3-6 or something of them that results in near permaslow.

johnjov
08-24-2010, 07:57 AM
The worst thing is their slow. you can't evade nothing anymore once you are hit with it, and with 3-6 or something of them that results in near permaslow.

Never realized they use slow with the low frame-rate lag :)

Hope high DA and shield blocks of defense mastery can resist their melee attacks.....it is most difficult when playing without pots!

shaposh
08-24-2010, 08:15 AM
The worst thing is their slow. you can't evade nothing anymore once you are hit with it, and with 3-6 or something of them that results in near permaslow.

The slow is from their poison attack. If you are slowed, so poisoned, and this is no good.
I lure them one on one and then go melee. Under ToW, they only resort to melee attacks.

BtW, accursed jewelry works wonders against boss monsters. They usualy have 100% energy resist though, so resistance reduction is required.
In a few hits, all their energy is drained, and substantial amount of health too. If their have any aura with energy cost, it will be dispelled once their energy drop to zero.
Good against those healer Gorgons.

shaposh
08-24-2010, 08:27 AM
Never realized they use slow with the low frame-rate lag :)

Hope high DA and shield blocks of defense mastery can resist their melee attacks.....it is most difficult when playing without pots!

I play in 2560x1600, all graphics maxed. FPS is usually around 60. Amazing graphics in this game is large part of why i'm still playing it!

At Memphis

johnjov
08-24-2010, 09:39 AM
The slow is from their poison attack. If you are slowed, so poisoned, and this is no good.
I lure them one on one and then go melee. Under ToW, they only resort to melee attacks.

BtW, accursed jewelry works wonders against boss monsters. They usualy have 100% energy resist though, so resistance reduction is required.
In a few hits, all their energy is drained, and substantial amount of health too. If their have any aura with energy cost, it will be dispelled once their energy drop to zero.
Good against those healer Gorgons.

Wait! I didn't get this point.....I always assumed "accursed" jewellery causes damage to the hero after 50% energy drain...isn't that bad especially when the boss resorts to melee?

johnjov
08-24-2010, 09:42 AM
I play in 2560x1600, all graphics maxed. FPS is usually around 60. Amazing graphics in this game is large part of why i'm still playing it!

At Memphis

Very much true!...years ahead of current A-RPG graphics (except for rubber-banding), especially with Diablo 3 ;)

shaposh
08-24-2010, 11:26 AM
Wait! I didn't get this point.....I always assumed "accursed" jewellery causes damage to the hero after 50% energy drain...isn't that bad especially when the boss resorts to melee?

It drains energy from monster and deals damage part of the energy drained. All bosses and quest monsters have at least 100% energy resistance though.

Accursed jewelry is a weak variant of the spellbreaker spell of Storm. If you can lower boss resistance low enough, you can (near) kill him in one Spellbreaker cast.

johnjov
08-24-2010, 11:53 AM
It drains energy from monster and deals damage part of the energy drained. All bosses and quest monsters have at least 100% energy resistance though.

Accursed jewelry is a weak variant of the spellbreaker spell of Storm. If you can lower boss resistance low enough, you can (near) kill him in one Spellbreaker cast.

Do bosses have fast energy regeneration rate? If not, this would be a valuable addition for hit-and-run tactics though enough time is needed to withstand boss punishment & complete the energy drain

Onuma
08-27-2010, 03:25 AM
Never specified in the rules: Do you have to play this single-player style, or can you coop provided that both players follow the rules equally? It would make the monsters themselves harder, but could otherwise provide some advantages.

Arperum
08-27-2010, 06:34 AM
I think it is meant to be played sp, but if you succeed as a pair, I guess 1 entry for the pair would be doable, so you would be playing together every single second, and if 1 of you dies, you just lost the challenge (for that pair). You'll have to ask iwantthehydra27 though, he is current master of this challenge. The coop part would be allowed for the underlord challenge, if it isn't allowed here (my topic).

GIAMarcos
08-27-2010, 06:56 AM
Hi guys,

Didn't play TQ for a couple of months, but after a while I decided to continue with my no pots untwinked challenge.
Will go further with my lvl 17 Summoner. Hope to post some progress soon.

johnjov
08-27-2010, 07:57 AM
Hi guys,

Didn't play TQ for a couple of months, but after a while I decided to continue with my no pots untwinked challenge.
Will go further with my lvl 17 Summoner. Hope to post some progress soon.

It looks like the moderator "iwantthehydra27" is unavailable for the moment, maybe you should try keeping screenshots of your boss fights until the leaderboard is updated

johnjov
08-27-2010, 10:01 AM
Character Update:

Harbinger (Conqueror) - LvL 29 - Rhakotis

killed Megaliosis Telkine

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Arperum
08-27-2010, 10:21 AM
Is it my idea, or is that picture taken before all megalesioses were dead? it seems like there are at least two more alive.

shaposh
08-27-2010, 11:10 AM
I was fighting second Telkines with my lvl 36 Templar and the fight was awfully long. They couldnt do anything to me, but neither could I. Very frustrating.
The same with first Telkine, only he was more dangerous.

On the other hand, my lvl 28 Spellbreaker can kill first Telkine in 15 seconds. Minotaur Lord, was a jock, he could not even scratch me, died in few second. While with templar, i had to run away and use PS to kill the bully. Spellbreaker IS the Boss Killer class for sure. Nothing can compare with him!

I'l coninue with Spellbraeker, actually start another, first died from accident not related with game.

johnjov
08-27-2010, 11:28 AM
Is it my idea, or is that picture taken before all megalesioses were dead? it seems like there are at least two more alive.

I believe I had killed all the telkines and then took the pic. Not sure how you deduce the two missing, I had sold the other seals in between. Anyway, I had forgotten to take a screenshot during the first telkine slaughter. I took this pic during the third Telkine Mystic orb farming :)

johnjov
08-27-2010, 11:33 AM
I was fighting second Telkines with my lvl 36 Templar and the fight was awfully long. They couldnt do anything to me, but neither could I. Very frustrating.
The same with first Telkine, only he was more dangerous.

On the other hand, my lvl 28 Spellbreaker can kill first Telkine in 15 seconds. Minotaur Lord, was a jock, he could not even scratch me, died in few second. While with templar, i had to run away and use PS to kill the bully. Spellbreaker IS the Boss Killer class for sure. Nothing can compare with him!

I'l coninue with Spellbraeker, actually start another, first died from accident not related with game.

Just curious, what powers or abilities of spell-breaker makes it a boss killer?

shaposh
08-27-2010, 11:44 AM
Necrosis and Lich King with Outsider from Spirit, Harmstring from Warfare.

johnjov
08-27-2010, 12:07 PM
Necrosis and Lich King with Outsider from Spirit, Harmstring from Warfare.

Oh yes, Necrosis!....should have been more alert when checking the spirit class...I had assumed Conqueror would do well in a quick kill ;)

shaposh
08-27-2010, 12:11 PM
Lich King is the real Boss killer, Necrosis just greatly increases his effectivnes.
Death Chill aura also deals high damage under necrosis.

Those Gorgons are down in few seconds each, remember how long it took for you to kill them?

johnjov
08-27-2010, 03:44 PM
Lich King is the real Boss killer, Necrosis just greatly increases his effectivnes.
Death Chill aura also deals high damage under necrosis.

Those Gorgons are down in few seconds each, remember how long it took for you to kill them?

Now you really make me wish to start a new spellbreaker and delete my current hero :D
Not sure which took more time- kiling the Gorgons or Telkines? causing a small dent in their health while chugging pots is such a pain. Always thought pets were useless with the instant kill powers of Typhon and now I will have to reconsider my strategy :)

GIAMarcos
08-30-2010, 06:27 AM
Aah, finally managed to install all the patches andn the mod properly, at least I think/hope :P
Still at Megara, did two beach sweeps to get the hang again. Will probably be farming the beach till 20.
Than do the skellies in the ruins, and after that head to the clopses.

I hope I will be able to manage it without pots. Still having a bit energy problems.

johnjov
08-30-2010, 07:36 AM
Aah, finally managed to install all the patches andn the mod properly, at least I think/hope :P
Still at Megara, did two beach sweeps to get the hang again. Will probably be farming the beach till 20.
Than do the skellies in the ruins, and after that head to the clopses.

I hope I will be able to manage it without pots. Still having a bit energy problems.

Interesting...but which class build are you using?...for melee builds, energy pots do not help much without the infinite stack mod...best try for the energy leech equipments

GIAMarcos
08-30-2010, 07:44 AM
I am currently a lvl 18 Summoner.
The only reason I run out of energy is cause I do the no pots challenge.
So energy pots are not an option, same for health pots.

Will probably continue farming till I get a better energy restore rate.
I am also untwinked so I won't search my vault for the optimal items.

shaposh
08-30-2010, 08:24 AM
Nature and Hunting are "cheater" classes :), way overpowered. I never played Hunting and play Nature only as a base for pure petmancer builds.

Playing Nature you don't need health pots. I can see that energy can be a problem at the beginning, Plague can be especially mana-intensive.
Your best strategy would be a pure petmancer, the game will be very easy until Telkine, and he will be a nightmare for petmaster.

BTW, in Uber it is possible to have 9 pet items, every item type can have pet bonus. Imagine what damage can wolves get from 9x 70/12 items!

GIAMarcos
08-30-2010, 09:01 AM
I am mainly build as a petmancer, will go pure if I reach Epic.
Still worried about the survival changes of my pets in Normal Act III & IV
Will probably play those as a caster, if I survive.

We will see

shaposh
08-30-2010, 09:05 AM
Had a funny though dangerous moment recently. My level 11 spirit char was in Sparta fighting Nessus, i cleared the area nearby and went to Helos to offload at the shop, when i returned i found myself surrounded by monstrous boars! 3 monstrous appeared from nowhere at my feet. And i had only 600 life. I was lucky to hit VoD in time, very helpfull skill.

johnjov
08-30-2010, 09:43 AM
I am currently a lvl 18 Summoner.
The only reason I run out of energy is cause I do the no pots challenge.
So energy pots are not an option, same for health pots.

Will probably continue farming till I get a better energy restore rate.
I am also untwinked so I won't search my vault for the optimal items.

I think you misunderstood my point....all I was trying to tell was to focus on Energy leech items for characters struggling on energy regen rates in the beginning...

@shaposh.....Monstrous boars do have the right name!...if I were you, would run, summon a portal & escape to the nearest town....and return when you are ready (helped me with the fight against scarab kings :) ) alternatively, pause & restart the game.... ;)

johnjov
09-01-2010, 04:34 AM
Leaderboard update:

Harbinger (Conqueror) LvL 37 - Valley of Kings Normal

killed Aktaois....can't believe the uberloot is all c**p :(

defeating him with no pots is indeed a leg feat!1638

GIAMarcos
09-01-2010, 07:55 AM
Still in Megara, lvl 19 at the moment.
Did the skellies and poly.
The princes of the blade were easy, they got chewed up by the wolves in a couple of seconds.
The archers and casters were a a different story, had to run back and resummon the wolves a couple of times because I couln't keep them alive with my heals.

6x clops was a pain to, had one moment I thought I would die, I was stunned at the bridge with 4 angry cyclops on my tail.
The wolves didn't survive either, even 3 of them couln't manage it. But after a 10 minutes fight with luring them 1 by 1 I got it done. Will stay in Megara for a while, but when I hit lvl 20 I will move on I guess.

shaposh
09-01-2010, 08:26 AM
Leaderboard update:

Harbinger (Conqueror) LvL 37 - Valley of Kings Normal

killed Aktaois....can't believe the uberloot is all c**p :(

defeating him with no pots is indeed a leg feat!

He was harmless to me, just took long time to kill - but completely harmless. I could tank several of them at once.

johnjov
09-01-2010, 09:17 AM
He was harmless to me, just took long time to kill - but completely harmless. I could tank several of them at once.

what made your character immune to the attacks? could you post a pic of the stat screen so that I can correct my char build mistakes accordingly by getting the right gear....... even with 80% fire resist, 322 armour, 550 DA, 20% DR, 7% AdctH....I was still taking health damage!

shaposh
09-01-2010, 10:26 AM
ToW and Accursed Jewelry. You need resistance reduction for Adcth and energy drain to work on bosses. He is quickly drained of all mana and after that it just a matter of time till he die. Lots of time in fact.

johnjov
09-01-2010, 10:31 AM
alright, you had mentioned this point before :).... is resistance reduction only possible with accursed jewelry? since they only mention energy drain

btw...6 telkines meleeing you....how do you manage to restore the lost health without pots?

shaposh
09-01-2010, 10:35 AM
I lured them one by one. One time i could not separate them and engaged two at once. This was still easy fight.
Accursed Jewelry has no resistance reduction, Dream ToW aura has it.

johnjov
09-01-2010, 10:57 AM
Thanks Shaposh for all the info!.....:)
Too bad Conqueror has no skills for resistance reduction....in such a case, I should say dream mastery is quite awesome!

perhaps in leg difficulty, there may be unique items that offer resistance reduction for non-Dream builds...cross my fingers ;)

Arperum
09-01-2010, 11:33 AM
Johnjov, things like Sapros do so :p but you first got to find them tough

johnjov
09-01-2010, 12:14 PM
Johnjov, things like Sapros do so :p but you first got to find them tough

Thanks for the pointer, Arperum! :rockon:

I was quite lost thinking about what the next "good" unique item would be.....infact for the last two hours, spent time traveling from vendor to vendor searching for greens, especially the "prismatic" jewelery....current one offers 20% elemental resists....wondering if there was more out there in normal...

anyway will keep an eye for Sapros!

shaposh
09-01-2010, 12:20 PM
Anyone know how much DA monsters have in Legendary in Uber?

Update: Ok, i have figured OA/DA numbers, ~500 Normal/1000Epic/1500 Legendary.

shaposh
09-12-2010, 07:27 PM
My Templar died from those nasty Pengs on Great Wall. Should had more vitality resist. I had a moment to save him, paused at 100 hp with 6 of them on my tail. Decided not to.

johnjov
09-13-2010, 01:21 AM
sorry to hear about that......but why were you not interested in saving him? could have teleported back to get better gear...if you were one-shotted or not able to pause & escape (equivalent to a battle retreat) that would be a proper hardcore death ;)

shaposh
09-13-2010, 02:41 AM
I don't think that any melee class without Warfare or Hunting will be viable in Legendary, because of the lack of OA. So it was partly suicide :)

I have Spellbreaker in Lilith, so for the sake of diversity gonna try Conqueror in Uber. No potions/untwinked :) Is it even remotely possible?? I have lvl 12 Conq past Sparta. Maxed Batter for 1-shot kill .

johnjov
09-13-2010, 02:59 AM
I see your point and it is true though I'm not sure if dream mastery OA bonus would come up to the same level!

Conqueror in uber would be possible but with no potions/untwinked is going to compound the difficulty to exponential level :D

You can survive but without spamming potions, these are my suggestions (correct me if I'm wrong) - doom horn + BS for mob control.....unmaxed ancestral warrior serve as good pets in the beginning..... +skills will save your skin in tight situations (I had like +4).....getting good resists....rally + defiance with adrenaline rush = multiple potions at a shot ;)

shaposh
09-13-2010, 03:21 AM
For now my main problem is energy. Maxed Batter eats my small reserves fast. Probably need to max Inspiration.

johnjov
09-13-2010, 05:07 AM
same problem too...inspiration does help...if you have relic Hecrates crescent for a spare slot it could boost the regen rate as well

Edit: also focus on obtaining artifact 'shroud of the eternal night' - it has the bonus of energy leech with high AS....though you may encounter more enemies with 0 energy reserves...conqueror does not have reduced resistances so difficult to leech bosses with accursed jewellery

iwantthehidra27
09-13-2010, 06:54 AM
I see your point and it is true though I'm not sure if dream mastery OA bonus would come up to the same level!

Conqueror in uber would be possible but with no potions/untwinked is going to compound the difficulty to exponential level :D

You can survive but without spamming potions, these are my suggestions (correct me if I'm wrong) - doom horn + BS for mob control.....unmaxed ancestral warrior serve as good pets in the beginning..... +skills will save your skin in tight situations (I had like +4).....getting good resists....rally + defiance with adrenaline rush = multiple potions at a shot ;)

Or 50% AdctH...

johnjov
09-13-2010, 07:01 AM
welcome back iwantthehidra27! :)

50%AdctH would be difficult in normal without compromising on resists, even with soul shiver.......it is definitely a good idea for epic and leg modes where gears offer multiple affixes

iwantthehidra27
09-13-2010, 07:04 AM
It is possible with betrayer items.But I don't know if Uber made that drop in normal(as it did with harrowing...)

johnjov
09-13-2010, 08:32 AM
i've been farming in "valley of kings" from lvl 38 to lvl 50 :D
if its a random drop, I dont think so otherwise it must be tied to a specific location

johnjov
09-13-2010, 10:37 AM
Status Update:

Finally moving ahead with Chimera monster kills

Harbinger (Conqueror) LvL 50 - Temple of Marduk Normal

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shaposh
09-13-2010, 10:49 AM
Wow! I didn't know it is possible to level that high in Normal, not to say in act 2 :)

johnjov
09-13-2010, 11:30 AM
Even I was terribly shocked! :D

The point was that I wasted 9 days farming for a revenant plate with 2 affixes in Normal while most gilded skeleton drops were giving with 1 affix. I had to use the rebirth fountain in the valley of kings and farming in the tomb of amenhetep most of the time spawned hero monsters which gave double experience values!

Finally decided to give up the effort when I touched level 50 as I felt it futile ;)

Edit: To reach this high, I think it is only possible with Uber mod with rigorous monster slaughter and you have to reach Act 2 by ~level 32

shaposh
09-13-2010, 12:14 PM
Were you farming Telkines as well? The Uber gear they drop can be very powerfull

johnjov
09-13-2010, 12:36 PM
yep, farmed both the 6xtelkines around 15 times but not quite rewarding

It may be true but in my experience in normal difficulty, uber loot drops were like 1 in 20....some of the drops were like pieces from gear sets such as Obsidian, Labyrinthian, Babylonian, Ramses.....then one or two good greens with +1 skills....but not quite helpful with items farmed previously

now wondering if this farm time spent was more useful in the higher difficulties :)

shaposh
09-13-2010, 12:47 PM
I will continue with my lvl 13 Spellbreaker. This concept is the most appealing to me - Summoner/Fighter Hybrid. If he dies, i will return to my Conq.

johnjov
09-13-2010, 01:16 PM
I will continue with my lvl 13 Spellbreaker. This concept is the most appealing to me - Summoner/Fighter Hybrid. If he dies, i will return to my Conq.

Spellbreaker is indeed a powerful build (surprised you could beat Act 1 telkine in 15 seconds :) ) but wondering if the build defenses can match up to Leg. uber difficulty...

also how different is the Lilith mod compared to Uber mod in your perspective?

shaposh
09-13-2010, 01:34 PM
I played only normal Lilith on Infinite difficulty, it has fewer monsters, and Bosses, but individual monsters are stronger and more dangerous.
However, Infinite is sure unplayble for melee in Legendery and probably even Epic, because monsters get 10/15/20 OA/DA per level bonus on N/E/L.

Overall, Lilith on high difficulty is very challenging and fun. There is an "Extra Boss" mod for Lilith i gonna try. More and tougher bosses but more realistic max difficulty, "only" 5/10/15 :)

johnjov
09-13-2010, 02:13 PM
Thanks for the info, shaposh! Never knew Lilith mod difficulty adapts with player level growth

will keep track of it once I finish uber or die prematurely :D

iwantthehidra27
09-13-2010, 03:27 PM
Twinked or untwinked,johnjov?

johnjov
09-13-2010, 03:34 PM
untwinked with pots....the same character from the beginning.....my previous updates are available in the older posts...killed Bamanu but can't believe his meteor shower still packs a punch and took half my hp :(

Harbinger (Conqueror) LvL 50 - Tsongomo peak Normal

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iwantthehidra27
09-13-2010, 03:36 PM
Other than the low HP(I have 4k at level 55 with my Harby) I have to say:You're 3rd!!!

shaposh
09-13-2010, 03:44 PM
Just 9 days of farming and 50 lvl :) I still can't belive this is possible.

johnjov
09-13-2010, 04:11 PM
Just 9 days of farming and 50 lvl :) I still can't belive this is possible.

ok...I have to re-phrase it as 9 game days which is shown in the statistics screenshot of mine....last few days I've been playing almost the whole day

I understand it is quite difficult to believe....but you could try re-creating the scenario and see the surprise in xp growth with uber mod "hero" monsters.....other crits do not give much xp....kill the tomb guardian heroes, exit the game, rinse & repeat :)

mathematically, you could take the number of monsters I have killed.....compare it with my previous screenies and see the steady growth in xp.....multiply with the average xp a lvl 37 hero gives in ubermod to view the approximately same level exp growth

otherwise I'm quite helpless in convincing you :(

EDIT: tested my "hero exp" theory and works with any imported character for a good xp boost....takes around 2 straight hours for a level difference of ~12 to level up....... should confess its quite a cowardly way of leveling up a toon ;)

johnjov
09-13-2010, 04:32 PM
Other than the low HP(I have 4k at level 55 with my Harby) I have to say:You're 3rd!!!

My conqueror has no hp added points, maybe later I'll try to get gear adding to the hp

BTW, from the "untwinked UBER" leaderboard, I do not see any change from the LvL 18 Defender....also shouldnt you be ranking according to the character current location and difficulty?

BeaverusIV
09-14-2010, 07:22 AM
Dante is now lvl 30 outside Memphis (HC Uber challenge: LotL/Ironman).

iwantthehidra27
09-14-2010, 09:34 AM
Sorry,but school has started and I'm running low on time...

Arperum
09-14-2010, 03:46 PM
Try updateing once a week, that should be doable. If needed I'll try to remember to PM you every week with the required changes. (let me know if I need to PM though) Could also be that I PM only every two weeks or something, in two weeks school is starting here too.

Also, I also have a contender now, Lews Therin, lvl 8 Theurgist (going to be ternion spamming diviner)

Arp

iwantthehidra27
09-15-2010, 08:39 AM
Done.

bonobo4
09-18-2010, 04:42 PM
Glad to see my legacy still lives on and that this thread is still being updated. :)

I'm well, hope you are too. ;)

kenpa007
09-19-2010, 02:55 PM
Woo, almost forgot about this place! Hehehe, Aradia is still alive and I see people pwned me already :)

Sadly I don't have so much time anymore to play this game let alone continue Uber quest with full concentration :(

Keep up the good work!

shaposh
09-23-2010, 10:48 PM
Finally i had a time to advance my second Spellbreaker a bit.. made it to the first Telkine and got killed by my own traitorous Lich!
I engaged two of them and were doing well, nearly finished one and halved another, then got 2-shotted by Lich. The bastard decided to close range and get converted, i noticed this too late.

Lord Elvewyn
09-27-2010, 01:55 AM
An interesting test. I'm trialling a diviner and loosely following the rules here. I've only recently clocked Act 3 Normal (Yes amazing </irony>) but thought to try this seeing as I have an inkling of how TQ works. I've applied defiler mods 2-6, frozen time seems to freeze merchant stock :( I died several times in Vanilla with my Evoker and still have something of a learning curve (!!!) so I've a backup so preserve my from stupidity\ignorance as opposed to general poor performance. Serious twinking, and running, still required though

First time I played Uber I found Nessus to be missing. I was able to waltz past, loot his\their treasure chests and light the post marking the next stage, which was pretty pointless. Saving exiting and revisiting did let me kill the Nessus's but any ideas where he\they got to?

shaposh
09-27-2010, 09:45 AM
I'v made another Spellbreaker to act 2. Have found rare Necromancer Robe with 35% less damage from undead, together with Ritual amulet and 1 point Spirit Ward 74% less damage from undead. Staying power is incredible.

Fight in the Great Sphynx was epic! I actually used spamming casting mummies for healing inbetween fights with guardians . When i first fought there with my Templar, i had to rush and destroy all statues, teleport back and then lure guardians one by one from the door. This time i stayed in room all the time. Great fight, very fun!

shaposh
09-27-2010, 09:57 AM
First time I played Uber I found Nessus to be missing. I was able to waltz past, loot his\their treasure chests and light the post marking the next stage, which was pretty pointless. Saving exiting and revisiting did let me kill the Nessus's but any ideas where he\they got to?

In Xmax and Uber etc. Bosses sometimes to not appear. I have found that this is most often (always?) happen then you have a pet around. I now dismiss pet(s) before approaching an important Boss, like Telikines. Then i see them present, i resummon pet(s).

BTW, Evoker is probably not the best class to play in Uber.

Lord Elvewyn
09-28-2010, 03:55 AM
No pet at present just active spells - Deathchill + Empathy Trance. Worst case scenario and the bosses don't appear where they should I'll just save and reload back to town. Fighting my way back to the bosses just means more XP+loot.

I trialled Evoker for normal - it looked like better for dps with Earthen Embrace. Given the numbers in Uber sheer dps may not cut it.

I'm very loosely following Poina's spirit guide, starting with Dream figuring hitpoints might be a little more critical in the Uber build. Need to get my DPS & my armour up though :)


In Xmax and Uber etc. Bosses sometimes to not appear. I have found that this is most often (always?) happen then you have a pet around. I now dismiss pet(s) before approaching an important Boss, like Telikines. Then i see them present, i resummon pet(s).

BTW, Evoker is probably not the best class to play in Uber.

Arperum
09-28-2010, 12:25 PM
My diviner-to-be is following poinas guide to the letter, and the only real trouble I have currently that I waste more money on all kinds of potions then that I earn...


Edit: He died, got lagspiked, webbed and then poisoned, ran of with 10 hp, lagged again, and got rewebbed with a hp of at that moment 100something, and with 5 deathweavers on your neck, that's deadly.

Was doing the tegea spring quest.

shaposh
09-28-2010, 06:54 PM
Heh, my Spellbreaker has died for the same reason. I was just in the beginning of act 3, disk started swapping and next time i had access to my char he was dead ... Sigh, too bad Iron Lore went down, so many bugs left to fix...

shaposh
09-28-2010, 06:59 PM
My diviner-to-be is following poinas guide to the letter,
....
Was doing the tegea spring quest.

Here is an advice on Spirit classes in Uber. Start from Spirit and get LK to lvl 12+, 1 point Death Nova. He will do the job early on. In Tegea spring quest, he was standing right in the midst of all those nasty webbing and poisoning spiders and killed them all. I was standing safely at the distance helping him a little with a bow.
Later on, his Soul Blight spell will help you bring down bosses quickly in conjuction with accursed jewelry.

johnjov
10-02-2010, 10:44 AM
Hey Shaposh & Arperum!

good to see you guys are active here and still experimenting with the spirit build

my lvl 52 conqueror died challenging a few pack leader heroes (normal act 3 jade palace) and so would like to start a fresh toon with focus on ToW & deathchill aura...but bit worried about the few STR & DEX boosts for a Diviner build...also would it be necessary to add attribute points to INT for greater electric burn (DoT) damage to kill monsters in epic/leg difficulties?

EDIT: oops, forgot!....I intend to create a melee build not caster based

shaposh
10-02-2010, 01:55 PM
No Int, go 1/1 Str/Dex.

johnjov
10-02-2010, 02:11 PM
No Int, go 1/1 Str/Dex.

ok, thanks for the pointer!

will hav to focus on getting the lich king early as you had advise earlier.....is life drain + cascade worth investing?....many ppl suggest avoiding it though cascade sounds tempting

shaposh
10-02-2010, 07:44 PM
It may help early, why not, you can always respec. But, even though i play "No potions" i didn't feel the need.

johnjov
10-02-2010, 07:57 PM
It may help early, why not, you can always respec. But, even though i play "No potions" i didn't feel the need.

thanks for bearing with me......no offense, but strangely curious how you manage Uber with "no potions".....was your strategy purely based on Necrosis + %AdctH or is there something else that I'm missing? :)

also, which aura scales well with all difficulties.... ToW or ToC? many ppl easily dump ToW despite the 33% reduced resistance advantage!.....wondering if the 4.0 second time gap stack or a recharge timer plays in between :(

shaposh
10-02-2010, 08:12 PM
Some more advices:

1) Set LK to some handy button, i have it on "A", and use it often to direct him on specific target or get out of trouble. If you leave him unattanded, he will die more often then you'd like.

2) Get one point Vision of Death. Great skill for any Spirit char. Most important aspect is "Fumble attack" which makes your enemy miss you 66% of the time, and works with any kind of monsters including Bosses. Fear can help when surrounded.

My usual build plan for Spellbreaker: VoD 1 , LK 12 , Death nova 1 , Battle Standard 1, Deathchill 1, Ravages 8, Necrosis 4, Weapon Training 6, Necrosis 7.
At this point you are lvl 22.
I farm in Pythian caves untill lvl 26 (and SBC of course).

shaposh
10-02-2010, 08:21 PM
Btw, my advice was for Spellbreaker class... i didn't try Diviner.

For Diviner, i would probably chose another path, along Dream mastery. Rush to ToW maybe. This worked great for my Templar. Instead of LK, you use Nightmare as an early damage dealer.

For Diviner, ToW or ToC is hard choice. You have an advantage of LK and his Soul Blight which is twice as effective as resistance debuff and don't stack with ToW . Thereas for Templar ToW is a no-brainer choice, Diviner may actually benefit more of ToC. That is, in the later game, early on ToW electric burn damage will make your life so much easier.

shaposh
10-02-2010, 08:24 PM
thanks for bearing with me......no offense, but strangely curious how you manage Uber with "no potions".....was your strategy purely based on Necrosis + %AdctH or is there something else that I'm missing? :)


Yes , Necrosis + Life Leech early/ AdctH later. Untill it start working (around lvl 21) stay ranged and rely on LK.

johnjov
10-02-2010, 08:54 PM
Shaposh!! :rockon:

that was an awesome stack of info, very much essential for uber survival.....this thread should be stickied for your comprehensive guide

ok that clears most of my queries even with only a slight difference in builds.....do hope there is no unknown secondary boss resistance to fumble attacks from VoD :D

I would still prefer LK to nightmare for the powerful abilities though mastermind skill is quite useful for tanking if pets do get aggro....

never realized "stacking" issue existed for pet debuff Soul Blight!....now it is quite logical to spend the skill points in ToC for the extra regen & damage absorption....staying ranged is quite hard for me and that ended with my "conqueror" toon being owned in Act 3....thanks for the advice and would stick with bows at early levels

shaposh
10-02-2010, 09:10 PM
You will have problems with OA as melee Diviner. You need 300+ to hit stuff reliably in Act1, and you will miss Gorgons alot with that number. If you still want to continue melee Diviner, invest in Dex heavely in early game. Forget 1:1 and just get minimum required Str. If you start from Dream and rush to ToW, don't put points in Str at all. With Templar, i had base Str in Act3 :)

johnjov
10-03-2010, 01:42 AM
yeah....that was one of my biggest problem and hence enquired abt the stat distribution :(
thanks for the experience sharing..... ;)
hope I can reach the general default for DA/OA (1500) and Str (525) by Leg difficulty or search for stat-improving gear....If I do not make it, then the next interesting build is the Spellbreaker!

johnjov
10-05-2010, 06:44 AM
Status Update: melee diviner is such a pain....luckily life drain & LK do most of the damage....should have reset the character and started with dream power

Untwinked with pots
FallenOne (Diviner) - LvL 13 - Sparta Normal

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johnjov
10-08-2010, 05:59 PM
Status Update: cyclops %health reduction is hard to beat without vitality resist...too bad in uber, demon blood relic is hard to complete!

Untwinked with pots
FallenOne (Diviner) - LvL 24 - Halcyon Coast

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johnjov
10-09-2010, 08:42 PM
Status Update: gorgon queens were quite hard to hit with low DA (below 300) and their poison pack a punch despite resistance around 40%

Untwinked with pots
FallenOne (Diviner) - LvL 27 - Pythian caves

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johnjov
10-10-2010, 10:15 AM
Status Update: for the first time, I could face 6xAlastor face-to-face with diviner character though spamming potions for %hp reduction by enemy deathchill aura....hope he lasts at least till the end of act4 normal

Untwinked with pots
FallenOne (Diviner) - LvL 28 - Athenian Catacombs

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johnjov
10-10-2010, 07:55 PM
Status Update: killed Act1 Telkine with ease but minotaur onslaught & inhabited statues were real trouble! damage absorption couldn't even mitigate half of their damage

Untwinked with pots
FallenOne (Diviner) - LvL 30 - Conduit chamber

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iwantthehidra27
10-15-2010, 08:57 AM
I'm back,so feel free to update.

Did I miss anyone?

johnjov
10-15-2010, 09:38 AM
Welcome back Iwantthehidra!

Status Update: killed Act2 Telkine after lots of farming in the Valley of Kings....was interested in lvling up more (upto 52) but it is such a time-consuming boring activity :)

Untwinked with pots
FallenOne (Diviner) - LvL 43 - Valley of Kings Normal

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Arperum
10-15-2010, 03:04 PM
Where did you get that armor? doesn't these only drop in act 3 from Ichtians?

johnjov
10-15-2010, 08:17 PM
you're absolutely right....its a veteran version of the ichtian aegis torso armor....the pic I had taken was during my farming reruns of Aktaios....I had forgotten to take the pic during the first fight before entering the hanging gardens....although the armor rating is quite poor of around 42 but love the 21% DA boost & 18% CtAP!

Status Update: fighting 6xBamanu is such a pain especially on alerting half of them leading to meteor shower all over the place...too bad my LK didnt have enough cold resist as my toon though had to spam potions most of the time
Untwinked with pots

FallenOne (Diviner) - LvL 43 - Tsongmo peak

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johnjov
10-21-2010, 06:00 AM
had lost my net access for the past few days and hence the combined status update

Status Update: killed ormenos and typhon....act3 telkine was the easiest of the lot with the help of LK and DR.....though 6xtyphon was the hardest....had to respec my ToC to ToW since I had great difficulty meleeing him for more than a few seconds, DR had little effect and I was losing a lot of health with his physical attack + life leech....afterwhich kiting + DR did reduce each boss fight to a matter of ~1 minute....now facing a hard time with anurons, nightstalker shadow lords, hydradons!.....each fight requires chugging potions for survivability

Untwinked with pots
FallenOne (Diviner) - LvL 49 - Tsalkonian Ruins Normal

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johnjov
10-21-2010, 05:53 PM
Status Update: 6x grey sisters are easy with maxed vitality & lightening resists

Untwinked with pots
FallenOne (Diviner) - LvL 49 - Tsakonian Ruins Normal

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johnjov
10-23-2010, 02:54 AM
Status Update: finished 6xCharon boss fight....was in for a big surprise when spirit bombs were raining and my life was losing rapidly with their superb leeching powers...my toon had 0% life leech resists and had to spam potions all the way.....formicid captains en route never made it easier with 2 spawning per group! :o

Untwinked with pots
FallenOne (Diviner) - LvL 51 - Upper City of Lost Souls

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johnjov
10-24-2010, 04:42 PM
Status Update: a melee toon would find it quite difficult to escape the ensnare ability of bloated hero.....had to run all over the place while LK & nightmare did the damage!

Untwinked with pots
FallenOne (Diviner) - LvL 52 - Cave of Whispers

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johnjov
10-27-2010, 04:52 PM
Status Update: took care of undead typhon though he could do immense physical damage with full resistance to petrification

Untwinked with pots
FallenOne (Diviner) - LvL 54 - Hades palace normal

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Arperum
10-28-2010, 12:33 PM
You are completely crazy...
Make sure to survive the rest of A4, and of course Hades himself, so you are the first ever to beat uber normal...

johnjov
10-29-2010, 06:43 AM
yep, I'm kind of OCD with TQ.....still struggling in Hades palace with Dactyls double death wave....kind of farming for complete ritual set charms including tortured soul essence bonus.....mostly surviving through cheapskate tricks such as boss room entry attacks & death escapes with game exits....I would not take any special credit even if I completed A4 as there are players far better than me but the game journey is completely satisfying! :D

johnjov
11-09-2010, 09:33 AM
Status Update: Finally beat Hades in Uber Normal!! took lots of time for farming to get the following - Tortured soul ritual bonus, Overlord & a Hallowed armor - realized I needed lots of armor and damage absorption if ever to beat hades as per Poinas observations...Hades is the hardest boss imo for a melee Diviner (Typhon was slower and DR+ToW combo killed him quicker)....not sure if it will be any easier in Epic...now need to finish secret passage before starting Epic

Untwinked with pots
FallenOne (Diviner) - LvL 56 - Throne Room normal

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Edit: Epic Nessus is an easy kill with no prominent skill attacks...but the drops are far worse than in Normal

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GIAMarcos
11-10-2010, 05:11 AM
Woohooo big gratz for completing Normal on bermode!
Makes me want to play on my untwinked no pots toon again.
Will see of I can make some progress on it.

johnjov
11-10-2010, 11:26 AM
Thanks GIAMarcos!, I'm sure you'll be able to finish it but the whole journey will be painfully slow. Without potions, I found it quite difficult to survive especially with Dactyl double death wave & formicid phalanx onslaught imo. Also Act4 is quite hard to survive without knowing the instant death attacks of Charon, Cereberus & Hades. But Toxeus in Normal was quite easy to face with the ritual itemsets. Every boss had to be singled out for combat survival otherwise just exit the game or portal out. If you can take all this into account, I can guarantee you can do much better than me in finishing the game with a nearly unbeatable toon ;)

PS: check expert TQ posts like that of Irma, Asylum101, poinas, shaposh for some superb game pointers!

johnjov
11-12-2010, 05:38 AM
Status Update: Unbelievable!!! LvL 65 Arachne's Shame at the beginning of epic!....not sure what the devs were thinking?!.....had to learn the hard way of standing at the entrance of Fetid Lair to take him down with ranged while the "SUPERB" LK could tank it with ease that made my toon look like a worthless piece of **** :D

a BS buffed warrior would easily survive a face-to-face encounter

Untwinked with pots
FallenOne (Diviner) - LvL 57 - Tegea Epic


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johnjov
11-15-2010, 12:56 AM
Status Update: Epic Poly is a piece of cake with ~50% reduced damage from ritual set bonus....now seeing if I can farm him for a possible "Sapros"

Untwinked with pots
FallenOne (Diviner) - LvL 58 - Megara Epic


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Arperum
11-15-2010, 04:57 PM
Isn't Sapros legendary only?
Thorny should be possible though.

Samsonite
11-15-2010, 05:11 PM
Starting this challenge today.

Untwinked - Potions

Toon = UBC_Killer / Haruspex

Running Uber-Plain 1.0 with FP 1.17 instead of FP 1.16, is this ok?

Edit: RIP lvl 6 to the trappers in the cave:(

Going to do the UberUnderlord Challenge I think.

johnjov
11-16-2010, 01:00 AM
Isn't Sapros legendary only?
Thorny should be possible though.

Sometimes legendary items drop in epic but I was a complete ***** wasting my time farming for a rare good item such as sapros so early :D

You're right, Arperum, about Thorny maul!....I've got one along with Demeter's Sorrow....it seems it is not of much value to my weak diviner which depends purely on "dps + Adcth" combo.....oh how I wish I was a dual-wielding harbinger right now and unleash raw power! :)

johnjov
11-16-2010, 01:06 AM
@ Samsonite:

It is good to see you taking the challenge and welcome aboard! The moderator "iwantthehidra" is currently busy but others here, including me, will be glad to help you out with the challenge

Fanpatch 1.17 is alright as I'm playing with one right now

Sad to hear your toon died early to the trappers...I had the same problem for the first few attempts...best option as I had received from Arperum and Shaposh, is to kite them one at a time in a zig-zag motion, as they always throw their nets in a straight line...avoid being mobbed and see if you can take them on ranged with initial mastery from Hunting....Good Luck!

Samsonite
11-16-2010, 10:05 AM
@ Samsonite:

It is good to see you taking the challenge and welcome aboard! The moderator "iwantthehidra" is currently busy but others here, including me, will be glad to help you out with the challenge

Fanpatch 1.17 is alright as I'm playing with one right now

Sad to hear your toon died early to the trappers...I had the same problem for the first few attempts...best option as I had received from Arperum and Shaposh, is to kite them one at a time in a zig-zag motion, as they always throw their nets in a straight line...avoid being mobbed and see if you can take them on ranged with initial mastery from Hunting....Good Luck!

Thanks Johnjov, I'll try your tips. I tried UberUnderlord with a twinked lvl70 toon just to test some theories, and man I don't think any class (tried an ton, even a toon with 3000 DA / 100% avoid Proj / most resists capped) can hack that in Legendary with the DA dodge change in Underlord, The bridge by the Jade Palace portal is my test point haha. So I'm going to try this again, it just going to be a lot slower starting without some of the talents to handle so many mobs, and I need to learn some patience haha. I'll be restarting today sometime, I'm really glad you are active with this challenge, gives me some motivation!

johnjov
11-16-2010, 11:25 AM
You're welcome!, it is good to have more ppl taking the challenge :)

I'm gonna bet you will enjoy the challenge once your Haruspex gets his basic skills and gear ready. Just be careful engaging mobs, heroes and bosses and make sure you have the right strategy to tackle them. I had a hard time in this area and it would be a good idea if you have another tweaked toon to test it out parallely.

LoL, you dont need to be patient (only in the beginning) ;) but make sure you are fast enough with the right set of skills

Uberunderlord is meant to give a new dimension to the game and it can be a bit easier with the new set of tweaked skills. Just curious if the tweaked toon could tackle all the x6 Yaogui bulls at once!

johnjov
11-21-2010, 12:43 PM
Status Update: Never have I grinded bosses this far as I have done with Gorgon sisters to reach LvL 61 just for a decent SBC with haste! Most others, including a lot of SB sashes, were worthless "mana" related. No luck with Poly for Sapros in Epic as correctly said by Arperum. But acquired a whole bunch of Legendary stuff such as Glutton's shield, Chiron's loop & Rhesus Whitewashed armor for a good AR upgrade but quite worthless when facing Arachne's shame.

Untwinked with pots
FallenOne (Diviner) - LvL 61 - Pythian Caves Epic


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johnjov
11-22-2010, 10:42 AM
Status Update: Alastor was quite easy with ~40% ctap & 110% life leech resistance
surprised to find a majestic chest waiting there. will consider the possibility of farming him and onwards to Talos!

Untwinked with pots
FallenOne (Diviner) - LvL 61 - Athenian Catacombs Epic

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johnjov
11-22-2010, 11:42 PM
Status Update: Epic Talos was easy since he was quite slow but the stomp AoE deals a serious damage when mobbed

Untwinked with pots
FallenOne (Diviner) - LvL 61 - Knossos Palace Epic

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iwantthehidra27
11-23-2010, 09:39 AM
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!
2750 HP?WUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT?

How is it even possible to get this far with seemingly no Uber Gear and pussy health?(And no pots afaicr)








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I'm BACK!

johnjov
11-23-2010, 09:55 AM
Lol!...the long gap must have wiped away the old memories of playing characters :P

I'm playing with infinite mod stack. And I've plenty of uber gear if you have read the posts:
1) Rhesus Whitewashed armor
2) Bloodthirst the glutton shield
3) Pythagorian amulet
4) Chiron's loop
5) Teuce's warbow

so far surviving, hope my luck stays for a longer time!

shattered.likeness
02-15-2011, 12:06 PM
Will hopefully be starting up again once I get home today. Been away for a while due to family reasons (had my first son), and am finally in a position to be able to play some again.

Will post character name, etc. once I get started.

johnjov
02-15-2011, 02:38 PM
@shattered.likeness:
FYI, this thread is dead as the moderator does not have time to update it. it would still be fun to read the progress of your toon in uber mod as few ppl are willing to take the challenge.

bonobo4
04-06-2011, 04:58 PM
And just when it all seemed hopless, a messenger was sent from the sky. And his name was bonobo4. And he said....

"I shall take up the role of Uber Challenge Manager, and will regularly update the scores o those who are competing"

:D

bonobo4
04-12-2011, 08:00 AM
Is there nobody still interested in this? I was going to update the thread but seems noone cares. :(

Moschl
04-16-2011, 05:59 PM
Wait a second ;).
Ive read the thread and it looks very interesting.
So Im going to start a Ritualist with Uber and no twinking ( i think, that means your char is selffound, without using items from other charakters or using items from TQVault).

Moschl
04-17-2011, 01:21 PM
So first Status Update:
Ive played my Uber_Moschl to lvl 9 and arrived in Spartas War-Camp. Hes a Ritualist, you can see it on the picture
And Nessus is very difficult.
http://www.abload.de/thumb/lvl9sparta3mwy.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=lvl9sparta3mwy.jpg)

Moschl
04-17-2011, 03:52 PM
Staus Update: Failed- R.I.P. in Spartan Highlands by tabbing down the game without going to a monstersave place.(im so silly) :( (Level 10). So ill start a new one ;)

DavorMarin
08-12-2011, 01:14 PM
After a VERY long time, I've decided to play this game again. I've remembered how Uber mod was funny with my twinked Ranger. He died soon after last screenshot, so I've made new charr. This time he's untwinked and he's Ranger again :headbang:

Currently farming up some good green Arachnos Armplates drop.2017

DavorMarin
08-13-2011, 12:00 PM
UPDATE: Killed 6x Cyclops twice, lvl 15 now, finished first artifact ( pretty bad, but better than nothing ). Looking forward for next boss!2018

DavorMarin
08-15-2011, 09:49 AM
UPDATE: Rdy for next challenge: 18 Gorgons! I plan to farm them for some good items ( prefereably bow ) because my gear is little bit crappy :(

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DavorMarin
08-18-2011, 06:50 AM
After few tries and Esc exit game cheat deaths, I've finally managed to kill Alastor ( 6 of them :headbang: )! Looking forward for last (1)2 bosses in act 1! 2045