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kalyan

09-10-2007, 12:40 AM

Most Wanted Monster Infrequents

Please notice that base item stats can be much worse than what showed on screenshots.

Homados

http://i2.tinypic.com/4vesaxx.png

Base stats:
70% Cold Resistance
+10% Attack Speed (buggy, AS maxed)

Chance on both prefix and suffix: 10%
Chance on prefix only: 45%
Chance on suffix only: 45%

Drops from machae (Act 4):

0.0299% - Scout
0.0299% - Guard
0.0299% - Warden
0.0299% - High Warden
0.0299% - Archer
0.0299% - Master Archer
0.0299% - Grandmaster Archer
0.1988% - Hero, Aorg
0.1988% - Hero, Karnahk
0.1988% - Hero, Nokhai

Locations to farm: doing Hades runs will eventually get you one, should be approx. 100 runs per item. To save time kill only those wearing black armor.

On average, you have to kill ~ 3300 machae to get one Homados.

Revenant Plate

http://i13.tinypic.com/524gz2q.png

Base stats:
+2 to all Skills

Chance on both prefix and suffix: 10%
Chance on prefix only: 45%
Chance on suffix only: 45%

Chance on getting Veteran's (+15% DA, +15% CAP, 10% DR) prefix: 1.25%

Drops from gilded skeletons (Act 2):

0.0998% - Gilded Spirit Magi Liche
0.0998% - Gilded Spirit Magi Acolyte
0.0998% - Gilded Spirit Magi Adept
0.0998% - Gilded Warlock
0.0150% - Gilded Assassin
0.0150% - Gilded Warrior
0.0150% - Gilded Archer
0.0150% - Gilded Brigand

Locations to farm: Tombs at Valley of Kings, I guess

On average, you have to kill ~ 1000 gilded skele-mages or ~ 6700 gilded skele-warriors to get one Revenant Plate.

If you want the one on screenshot, just imagine 975000 gilded warriors.

Revenant Crown

http://i13.tinypic.com/681igq8.png

Base stats:
+2 to all Skills

Chance on both prefix and suffix: 10%
Chance on prefix only: 45%
Chance on suffix only: 45%

Drops from gilded skeletons (Act 2):

0.0100% - Gilded Spirit Magi Liche
0.0100% - Gilded Spirit Magi Acolyte
0.0100% - Gilded Spirit Magi Adept
0.0100% - Gilded Warlock
0.0100% - Gilded Assassin
0.0100% - Gilded Warrior
0.0100% - Gilded Archer
0.0100% - Gilded Brigand

Locations to farm: Tombs at Valley of Kings, I guess

On average, you have to kill ~ 10000 gilded skeletons to get one Revenant Crown.

Stonebinder's Cuffs

http://i13.tinypic.com/5239tmu.png

Base stats:
25% Elemental Resistance
+3 to all Skills

Chance on both prefix and suffix: 10%
Chance on prefix only: 45%
Chance on suffix only: 45%

Chance on getting of Alacrity (35% AS) suffix: 4.2%
Chance on getting of Speed (25% AS) suffix: 2.4%
Chance on getting of Haste (15% AS) suffix: 0.6%
Chance on getting of Trickery (15% AS, 8% Dodge) suffix: 0.84%
Chance on getting of Gryphon (14% AS, +12/21% EleDmg) suffix: 0.96%

Drops from gorgons (Act 1):

0.3984% - Quest Boss, Medusa
0.3984% - Quest Boss, Sstheno
0.3984% - Quest Boss, Euryale
0.3981% - Profaner
0.3981% - Geomancer
0.3974% - Hero, Cenobia
0.3974% - Hero, Iolanthe

Locations to farm: Gorgon Sisters, Pythian Caves, Minoan Labyrinth

On average, you have to kill ~ 250 boss gorgons to get one Stonebinder's Cuffs.

Estimation of farming efficiency for different locations:

Gorgon Sisters:
55s / run, 3 bosses, loot after 5 hours - 3.9 cuffs and 41.5 uniqs

Pythian Caves (map (http://i6.tinypic.com/68iatf8.png)):
35s / run, 0-6 bosses (3 average), loot after 5 hours - 6.1 cuffs

Minoan Labyrinth (map (http://www.tinypic.ca/files/zlkmtg0o1hmzoo9p18ir.png)):
30s / run, 0-8 bosses (6 average), loot after 5 hours - 14.3 cuffs

Combined Sisters+Caves:
90s / run, average 6 bosses, loot after 5 hours - 4.8 cuffs and 25.4 uniqs

If you need it with Alacrity, prepare to kill ~ 10800 boss gorgons, which is 1800 Minoan runs or about 15 hours of farming time.

Batrachos Greaves

http://i12.tinypic.com/4mhaih2.jpg

Base stats:
+120% Defensive Ability
7% Chance to Dodge Attacks

Chance on both prefix and suffix: 2.38%
Chance on prefix only: 7.14%
Chance on suffix only: 7.14%
Chance on no affixes: 35.71%
Chance on broken: 47.62%

Chance on getting of Campaigning (+30% Movement) suffix: 1.1%

Drops from frogs-anourans (Act 4):

0.0398% - Pygmy
0.0398% - Bullfrog
0.0398% - Tribesman
0.0398% - Hunter
0.0398% - Mighty Bullfrog
0.0398% - Elder Tribesman
0.0398% - Elder Hunter
0.1593% - Hero, Long Bellow

Locations to farm: beach area after Rhodes, swamp area of Soronis

On average, you have to kill ~ 2500 anourans to get one Batrachos Greaves.

If you need it with Campaigning ... it's more than 2 million frogs.
And I don't even touched yet that rare Hale on-boots prefix, which is another 0.35% (half-billion frogs, anybody?)
I believe that's apocalypse80 item on screenshot, if this legit - the whole Pantheon smile on him that day. Ridiculously godly item.

Soldier's Unyielding Will

http://i17.tinypic.com/4raaa6t.jpg

Base stats:
+300 Defensive Ability
7% Chance to Dodge Attacks

Chance on both prefix and suffix: 10%
Chance on prefix only: 45%
Chance on suffix only: 45%

Chance on getting Herculean (+32% Dmg +10% Str) prefix: 0.75%
Chance on getting Titanic (+24% Dmg +10% Str) prefix: 0.75%

Drops from ants-formicids (Act 4):

0.0796% - Drone
0.0796% - Soldier
0.0796% - Corporal
1.9569% - Hero, General Yrrt'ik

Locations to farm: Ampelian Cave, I guess

On average, you have to kill ~ 1300 formicids to get one Soldier's Unyielding Will.

Khthonion Spike

http://i15.tinypic.com/6c4uqn5.png

Base stats:
5% Chance of 100% Damage
+110 Offensive Ability

Chance on both prefix and suffix: 10%
Chance on prefix only: 45%
Chance on suffix only: 45%

Chances on good affixes: please see this post (http://www.titanquest.net/forums/spoilers/19224-most-wanted-monster-infrequents-chances-get-them-5.html#post180396).

Drops from demons melinoe (Act 4):

0.3981% - Spear Runner
0.3981% - Elite Spear Runner
0.3976% - Hero, Hekaline

Locations to farm: Hades Palace, Court of Kouloures

On average, you have to kill ~ 250 melinoe to get one Khthonion Spike.

Khthonion Razor

http://i5.tinypic.com/4yhvkle.png

Base stats:
9% of Attack damage converted to Health
60 Energy Leech over 3 seconds

Chance on both prefix and suffix: 10%
Chance on prefix only: 45%
Chance on suffix only: 45%

Drops from demons melinoe (Act 4):

0.3990% - Blade Maiden
0.3990% - Blade Dancer
0.3988% - Hero, Hekaline

Locations to farm: Hades Palace, Court of Kouloures. Usually there is only 3-4 blade melinoes on a Court.

On average, you have to kill ~ 250 blade dancers to get one Khthonion Razor.

Bramblewood Bow

http://i14.tinypic.com/4maora0.png

Base stats:
25% Chance of 40 Reduced Resistance for 3 Seconds
20% Attack Speed

Chance on both prefix and suffix: 10%
Chance on prefix only: 45%
Chance on suffix only: 45%

Chance on getting Relentless (+18% Dmg +20% AS) prefix: 0.46%

Drops from frogs-anourans (Act 4):

0.3981% - Hunter
0.3981% - Elder Hunter

Locations to farm: beach area after Rhodes, swamp area of Soronis

On average, you have to kill ~ 250 anouran-hunters to get one Bramblewood Bow.

The one on screenshot should require ~ 98000 hunters to kill, but I got it on a way from fountain to SP door, barely killing one hunter per run. Dumb luck happens.

Prowler's Cuirass

http://i10.tinypic.com/52bwehz.png

Base stats:
40% Elemental Resistance
15% Fire Resistance
+36 Dexterity

Chance on both prefix and suffix: 10%
Chance on prefix only: 45%
Chance on suffix only: 45%

Drops from tigermans (Act 3):

0.0697% - Prowler
0.0697% - Elite Prowler
0.0697% - Archer
0.0697% - Elite Archer

Locations to farm: Mongolian Plateau after Eastern Silk Road WP

On average, you have to kill ~ 1400 tigermans to get one Prowler's Cuirass.

Sabertooth

Sabertooth screenshot (http://i4.tinypic.com/6gjvl9d.png)

Base stats:
+36 Dexterity
+35 Offensive Ability
+30% Attack Speed

Chance on both prefix and suffix: 10%
Chance on prefix only: 45%
Chance on suffix only: 45%

Chance on good prefix: 2.21%
Chance on good suffix: 28.62%
For more info on affixes see attached file.

Drops from tigermans (Act 3):

0.3981% - Prowler
0.3981% - Elite Prowler

Locations to farm: Mongolian Plateau after Eastern Silk Road WP

On average, you have to kill ~ 250 prowlers to get one Sabertooth.

The Night Mistress's Clutch

The Night Mistress's Clutch screenshot (http://i23.tinypic.com/68t0g3)

Base stats:
+1.6 Energy Regeneration per second
+4 to Sands of Sleep
+4 to Distort Reality

Chance on both prefix and suffix: 10%
Chance on prefix only: 45%
Chance on suffix only: 45%

Drops from empusas (Act 4):

0.398% - Frost Reaver
0.398% - Pyromancer
0.398% - Soul Carver
0.398% - Venomancer
0.398% - Hero, Helike Dark Temptress
0.398% - Hero, Alcestis
0.398% - Quest Hero, Thyia of the Stygian Frosts
0.398% - Quest Hero, Metriche
0.398% - Quest Hero, The Night's Mistress
0.398% - Quest Hero, Canace the Serpent Queen

Locations to farm: Elysium and suburbs I guess

On average, you have to kill ~ 250 empusas to get one The Night Mistress's Clutch.

Staff of the Magi

Staff of the Magi screenshot (http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/6442/staffmagizs4.png)

Base stats:
30 Burn Damage over 3.0 Seconds
+25% Fire Damage
+5 Intelligence
+1.5 Energy Regeneration per second
-15% Recharge

Chance on both prefix and suffix: 10%
Chance on prefix only: 45%
Chance on suffix only: 45%

Chance on getting of Brimstone (+24%/+28 FireDmg) suffix: 6.52%
Chance on getting of Sulfur (+18%/+21 FireDmg) suffix: 6.52%

Drops from satyrs (Act 1):

0.398% - Satyr Shaman
0.398% - Satyr Fire Magi
0.398% - Dark Satyr Shaman
0.398% - Dark Satyr Fire Magi
0.398% - Dark Satyr Spirit Caller
0.398% - Mountain Satyr Shaman
0.398% - Mountain Satyr Fire Magi
0.398% - Mountain Satyr Spirit Caller
0.988% - Hero, Algos Frostwind
0.988% - Hero, Drusil Thornweaver
0.988% - Hero, Fernos Charskin
0.988% - Hero, Nesis Fleshmender

Locations to farm: Lower War Camp

On average, you have to kill ~ 250 satyr-mages to get one Staff of the Magi.

Or 3500 satyr-mages if you want it with additional fire damage.

Hood of the Magi

Hood of the Magi screenshot (http://i19.tinypic.com/53hddt5.png)

Base stats:
+30 Intelligence
+30% Energy Regeneration
+50% Casting Speed

Chance on both prefix and suffix: 10%
Chance on prefix only: 45%
Chance on suffix only: 45%

Drops from satyrs (Act 1):

0.20% - Satyr Shaman
0.20% - Satyr Fire Magi
0.20% - Dark Satyr Shaman
0.20% - Dark Satyr Fire Magi
0.20% - Dark Satyr Spirit Caller
0.20% - Mountain Satyr Shaman
0.20% - Mountain Satyr Fire Magi
1.00% - Mountain Satyr Spirit Caller
2.00% - Hero, Algos Frostwind
2.00% - Hero, Drusil Thornweaver
2.00% - Hero, Fernos Charskin
2.00% - Hero, Nesis Fleshmender
0.05% - Quest Boss, Dark Satyr Shaman

Locations to farm: Lower War Camp

On average, you have to kill ~ 500 satyr-mages to get one Hood of the Magi.

Folg

Folg screenshot (http://i1.tinypic.com/4zc7ibt.png)

Base stats:
+10% Strength
+10% Dexterity
Grants Thunderclap

Chance on both prefix and suffix: 10%
Chance on prefix only: 45%
Chance on suffix only: 45%

Drops from troglodytes (Act 4):

0.3981% - Berserker
0.3981% - Savage
0.3981% - Stone Grinder
0.3981% - Jailor
0.3981% - Hero, Orok Skullcracker
1.9569% - Hero, Thane Kaorak
1.9569% - Hero, Warrag Hammerfist
1.9569% - Hero, Kondor the Mighty

Locations to farm: River Styx, City of Lost Souls

On average, you have to kill ~ 250 troglodytes to get one Folg.

Rancor

Rancor screenshot (http://i10.tinypic.com/6bbccoy.png)

Base stats:
5% Chance of 50% Reduction to Enemy's Health
25 Vitality Damage

Chance on both prefix and suffix: 10%
Chance on prefix only: 45%
Chance on suffix only: 45%

Drops from gigantes (Act 4):

0.3981% - Armorite
0.3981% - Dactyl
0.7965% - Vindicator
0.9852% - Hero, Ephialtes
1.9704% - Hero, Polybotes
2.9469% - Quest Boss, Warden of Souls

Locations to farm: doing Hades runs will get you lots of them, should be approx. 10 runs per item. Most of them will be useless.

On average, you have to kill ~ 250 gigantes to get one Rancor.

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Part of screenshots aren't mine, thanks to all people in this forum who posted their finds (or cheats, whatever).

If you know other good MIs worth listed here, drop me a PM with legendary screenshot of it.

Minervian

09-10-2007, 02:16 AM

:knockout:

I think you'll be getting a letter soon from the SPFMIR (Society for the Prevention of Farming against Monster Infrequent-owning Races)!

But otherwise, thank you for compiling the stats! Now I know my chances, literally. (And no I don't have a single pair of Batrachos Greaves).

Argantes

09-10-2007, 07:50 AM

hm, I must admit I was quite lucky with these items; found s. cuffs on my 2nd medusa run, batrachos greaves on my 3rd or 4th anouran run and on one of my Hades runs got Homados as well.

on the other side, I´ve got only normal or epic version of Revenant Plate with only 1 to all skills and it´s for the first time ever I can actually see how that Revenant Crown and formicid Shield look like

but this is one very impressive list indeed :)

Galefury

09-10-2007, 08:36 AM

Yeah, very nice. Thanks for posting this. :D

Put in a line at the top for newer players though, saying that the stats in the pictures aren't the base stats. Some of those have ridulously good affixes.

Koz

09-10-2007, 12:20 PM

Yeah, it'd be nice if possible to list what base modifiers are, some of those I'm not sure what come from the item and what comes from the affixes.

Good job on this.

Koz

ETA: where is the best place to farm gilded skeletons in Act 2?

Harwel

09-10-2007, 04:44 PM

This is useful information. I vote for a sticky.

kalyan

09-10-2007, 11:13 PM

You welcome.
I updated the post.

Btw mistakes are possible here, though I did my best to prevent them. I am not sure such thing as broken Batrachos Greaves exists, but afaics it is, and half of the greaves you'll find will be broken.

Galefury

09-11-2007, 08:23 AM

Very nice, good update.

Koz

09-11-2007, 09:41 AM

Nice man, good work, very useful. Are you planning on adding Staff of the Magi and Hood of the Magi? IMO, both of these are awesome (although I think I heard that the Hood is bugged).

I asked before but didn't get a response: is there a good place to farm gilded skeletons? As much as I've played this game I can't think of good spot where they spawn that is easy to reach. Anyone?

Koz

kalyan

09-11-2007, 10:30 AM

Koz

09-11-2007, 11:30 AM

I heard there is few of them in the egypt tombs.
Btw I think only Act2 gilded can drop revenant items.

Do you know where I can get screenshot or vault with legendary Staff of the Magi ? I only have normal version.

Lol, I guess that would be the valley of kings eh? I wasn't even thinking of that since when I go there I'm only in the habit of running straight to the Telkine. Lol, I guess I have a reason to go farm the other tombs.

Can't help you on the screenies though (I have epic Staffs and Hoods, but no Legendaries).

Koz

Whisk33

09-11-2007, 11:50 AM

Very nice post. Pretty interesting for those that are hunting for the MIs.
I'll probably link this post in my MI FAQ I got going for the people who are interested in checking those out... You wouldn't be interested in finishing the list by any chance would you? I have maps with all the items laying on the ground, or you seem to be familiar enough with the database...

Hyperion²

09-11-2007, 12:37 PM

WOW, simply wow... really thank you for sharing these informations.

Now, in order to complete the whole thing, we have to add some more MI (ie: rancor) and to describe where is the best place to farm the specific kind of monsters.

Thx again.

:clap:

Ciao!!

Matseb2611

09-11-2007, 02:03 PM

Wow! I didn't know that Homados was a Monster Infrequent. Good job I didn't sell the one that I found.

maul

09-11-2007, 09:23 PM

VERY GOOD THREAD! Nice job.. :clap:

If you don't mind, I suggest you edit and include some/(or all :) ) other frequently farmed MI like RANCORS, FOLG, Kthonion RAZORs, etc. Also include the monsters and maps to looks for. Soldier's Unyielding Will for example drop only from formicids in Medea and not from anywhere else(not with pale formicids).

More list and this should be stickied..

kalyan

09-11-2007, 10:40 PM

Added: Hood of the Magi, Folg, Rancor.

Anybody know forum administrator who can allow me to post more than 10 images in one post?

WOW, simply wow... really thank you for sharing these informations.

Now, in order to complete the whole thing, we have to add some more MI (ie: rancor) and to describe where is the best place to farm the specific kind of monsters.

You welcome.
Rancor is here and I did my best remembering location names.

If you don't mind, I suggest you edit and include some/(or all :) ) other frequently farmed MI like RANCORS, FOLG, Kthonion RAZORs, etc.

Of course I don't mind. Rancor and Folg added, but I don't have any Kthonian Razors. The thing is - I want to post MI's with screenshots, so people can actually see them, not just boring text. :)

You wouldn't be interested in finishing the list by any chance would you? I have maps with all the items laying on the ground, or you seem to be familiar enough with the database...

If by finishing the list you mean 162 MI's of game - no.
I don't have so much free time.
People farm for only few MI's, who needs all 162 anyway?

I have Madman's Greenpeace map, but it's not working in IT. What I need is some godly MI's screenshots.

Whisk33

09-11-2007, 10:40 PM

EDITed: Large section deleted due to obvious contradiction to reality oh well.

ok now for my constructive part of my post so I don't get flamed so badly this thread never gets back on topic,
You might want to try and set up another thread with a poll of what items to include in your Highly Desireable Monster Infrequents list... I don't really know how that would work and so perhaps it would be much simplier just to use your own discression and edit appropriately.
I think getting maps/telling how to get to the places where that monster type stands is a very good idea. It doesn't need to be on the first page; it could just be linked it a different post in this thread. for example...

Galefury

09-11-2007, 11:11 PM

Anybody know forum administrator who can allow me to post more than 10 images in one post?
Just make a new topic and reserve a few posts for editing at the beginning. Would be annoying to remake the thread, but probably easier than getting to post more than 10 pictures per post.

And about the sticky or not sticky argument: Sticky isn't necessary, but there should be a sticky with links to threads like this.

Edit: Oh, and what about Melinoe Elite Spear Runners for Kthonian Spikes? Can't they drop them?

kalyan

09-11-2007, 11:11 PM

Whisk33

09-12-2007, 09:25 AM

Whisk33, it seems to me you care too much about that sticky thing.

I made a Table of Unique Items Drop Chances for Titan Quest Bosses (http://www.titanquest.net/forums/spoilers/18686-table-unique-items-drop-chances.html#post172463), it taked much more effort than Most Wanted MI list, and this table isn't stickied here, and so what? You dig some info about the game, you share it with other people, and that's it.
Even though your FAQ isn't sticked it isn't stopped me from downloading your MI pdf list. I used it quite a few times, it's really good, so thank you for your time.

Now to the topic, I don't think there is need to create too much threads with voting and stuff. People just chime in here about MI's they want to see.
If someone can explain to me how to create(cheat) the item for screenshot it would be nice.
I dont care about me earning stickies.. I just see many threads where people say things should and.. WHAT THE CRAP HOW DID I MISS THAT AMAZING UNIQUE DROP CHANCE. OMG. That my friend in a word is awesome.
yeah the vote idea might have been bad.. I was trying
I can help you though. I have a map that has all the old MI lying on the ground. I have another one that has all the new one! Hooray.If you need that PM me with your email address and I'll send it over to you.

Galefury

09-12-2007, 10:15 AM

What about Melinoe Elite Spear Runners for Kthonian Spikes? Can't they drop them? Also, what are the chances for Gryphon and Trickery suffixes on the Stonebinder's Cuffs? Those also give attack speed.

Matseb2611

09-12-2007, 12:29 PM

I agree, this thread is awesome. It seems that I came across the rare ones and missed out some less rare ones. Weird.

Argantes

09-12-2007, 02:39 PM

hm, I can´t see any "uber" bonus on these Hoods of the Magi, maybe it´s the +x% casting speed or..? I agree with Staff of the Magi, it provides about -15% recharge and I´d like to add Shaman´s Leggins, they have some nice -x% recharge as well (up to -20%). I would post some screenshots, but have only the normal version of them (2 pcs.)

kalyan

09-12-2007, 04:43 PM

Added Khthonion Razor.
Have to cheat to get screenshot. The one showed here is best from 30 razors. Which is 7500 killed blade-runners or about 2000 court runs ...

If you need that PM me with your email address and I'll send it over to you.

Sure. PM sended.

What about Melinoe Elite Spear Runners for Kthonian Spikes? Can't they drop them? Also, what are the chances for Gryphon and Trickery suffixes on the Stonebinder's Cuffs? Those also give attack speed.

Sometimes I was too lazy to add prefixes in monster names, like elite or elder. Fixed.

Gryphon and Trickery suffixes added for cuffs+3.

Just for heads up: Working fix for a Stygian Lurker quest rewards (http://www.titanquest.net/forums/technical-issues/19265-working-fix-stygian-lurker-quest-rewards.html)

Galefury

09-12-2007, 04:51 PM

What kind of chances are the affix chances you posted? Are they "if there is a suffix, there an x% chance it is y", or are they "if the item is dropped, there is an x% chance for it to have suffix y"?

kalyan

09-12-2007, 05:27 PM

The former, "if there is a suffix, there an x% chance it is y".

Galefury

09-12-2007, 06:20 PM

OK, so about 1 in 20 Stonebinder's Cuffs will give increased attack speed. Not very encouraging. :/

Ravasak

09-12-2007, 06:38 PM

i need lethal deathweaver legtip of betrayer
this is my only wish :)

Galefury

09-12-2007, 06:48 PM

Heh, I hope you're playing 1.20 then. That suffix isn't dropped anymore.

kalyan

09-18-2007, 03:22 AM

Added estimation of farming efficiency for Stonebinder's Cuffs.

For strictly MI farming Minoan runs is 3.7 times more effective than Gorgons Sisters runs. You sacrificing some amount of uniques, but get a lot more cuffs in return. I farmed 6 pairs today, no speed though.

You starting Minoan run at last fountain before Act 1 Telkine and go back checking four rooms where Profaners/Geomancers/Heroes can spawn (there is no need in killing other gorgons). I attached map there.

In average you will get 6 boss gorgons per run and after ~ 40 runs (about 20 minutes of farming) you should have your first cuffs from them. Try to peek through walls to save some time.

Galefury

09-18-2007, 09:09 AM

Heh, what about triple sisters? Looks like Minoan would still be faster. Which would give me an excuse to continue playing the game.

kalyan

09-18-2007, 12:46 PM

I'm not using xmax mod, coz for me it's cheating.
See for yourself if you can multiply Minoan boss pairs.

Galefury

09-18-2007, 01:13 PM

Nope. Only the trash enemies get multiplied, not the ones with yellow or orange names. And of course you get 3 of most fixed bosses (only one chest though, except for telkines etc). And since minoan runs seem to be more than 3 times as effective than queen runs, and triple queen runs take longer than normal ones I guess minoan is the best way to get cuffs.

Thanks for timing and comparing those runs by the way, very nice info. :)

kalyan

09-18-2007, 02:08 PM

You certainly welcome. :)
It's just estimation, you might still want to time it for your specific char.

Galefury

09-18-2007, 02:36 PM

Shouldn't be too different from yours. It's a Templar so I have Colossus, and the minoan Gorgons don't take long to kill. 1 hit more or less shouldn't make much difference. A Hydra run takes me about 2 minutes though including loading time, which is way too long. I might have to get me a nice rare weapon and a Shen-Nong's before I farm it a lot. Or a Sapros of course...

Hyperion²

09-18-2007, 02:52 PM

@ kalyan: really thx for continuing this wonderful job.

An alternative way to find another pair of stonebinder cuffs. wow. thx again. :rockon:

kalyan

09-18-2007, 04:03 PM

Hyperion² you welcome. :)

Galefury
Yes, Templar is a fast farmer, just like anything with Colossus, but these loading times can make a difference. Still, for me it feels less boring to run Minoan, because it didn't take ages for next SB to appear.
For cheap -res I use Shield of the Korybantes with Monkey jewelry (it will get along with ToW nicely).
Still have to gather myself for that 1000 polyphem-sapros runs ... 17 hours of farming - plain sick. :(

Galefury

09-18-2007, 05:06 PM

I really don't think Polyphem is such a great run, even considering the good chance for Sapros. With x2, certainly, but without it Hydra, Typhon, SP or Hades should be better when considering the other stuff you get.

Polyphem's chance to have a unique mace is about 1.28%. Chest chance for unique mace should be around 0.13% (the bow chance from your chart divided by 3, its minor anyway). Total is about 1.41%, which would be 71 runs per unique mace. Triple Polyphem would be 3.98%, 25 runs per unique mace. Run time is about a minute according to your chart.

Hydra is at 0.92% (1m, 109 runs per unique mace). SP at 1.67% (3m, 60 rpum). Hades 1.04% (2m, 96 rpum). Typhon 1.02% (1:30, 98 rpum).

There's also Barmanu. He uses two clubs, and has the same chance to equip a unique club as Polyphem. Except it's on each hand, so you get twice the chance. You listed his run as 1:15. So if you can take him, he would be at about 2.7%, which means 37 rpum. Triple Barmanu about 7.83% (13 rpum), although that would be an extremely dangerous run.

So Polyphem is second best, and not that much better than Hydra. And Barmanu beats them all, but he's not exactly an easy run, considering the two neantherthal chieftains on the way to him, and his dangerous stun+icy rocks combo.

The chance for a unique mace to actually be Sapros should get better the higher the boss level and your level are, since it's among the highest level maces there are. That would be another point for Barmanu, but I don't know how much it matters. I guess at high enough levels the chance for a unique mace to be Sapros would be something between 5% and 10%, since there are about 10 level 59 maces on the lists, and the lower ones can still get dropped. Note that I don't actually have any idea how dynamic weight tables work, so be cautious about those 5-10%, it might be lower.

kalyan

09-18-2007, 06:03 PM

Galefury

Thank you for extensive analysis, it's great! I will think about that.
I remember Barmanu killed my conq (res maxed, stun too) with these rocks almost instantly, the same character who can stand under Typhon rocks all day. It's just weird and I don't like dying.

SP and Hades also drop IT maces, which is a bad thing when looking for Sapros. Hydra holds less chance for the maces, and I farm it alot, it seems I getting the same stuff all over again ...

Anyway, I might try to get along with Barmanu - 37 vs 71 rpum is big diff. It's not even necessary to fight him every time, just that glorious day when he'll pull out his Sapros. Hope I will be able to kill him then. :lol:

Btw, how the quest for speed cuffs going? Got any?

Galefury

09-18-2007, 06:25 PM

31 SBC so far. None of Alacrity or with attack speed. And either I've been lucky, or Minoan Labyrinth instead of triple queens really makes a difference. I got two cuffs pretty fast. It's a lot more hectic though, which means watching movies on my second monitor doesn't work quite as well. I will have to experiment a bit with it I guess. ;)

And Barmanu's rocks killed you because they do a ****load of damage (much more than Typhon's meteors actually), and a lot of it is physical. If I'm reading it right, they have about 800 physical base damage, and about 2500 cold base damage at legendary skill level. No idea if that's total damage or for each rock. All that modified by the legendary bonus damage, boss bonus damage, and stats of course. Fun. Having 80% cold resistance is worth a try I guess, and having Colossus on might help too. I have no idea if Colossus even fits through the slopes in the cave that leads to him anyway, so saving it for Barmanu might be an option. Seeing whether he has a unique mace or not shouldn't be too hard, he's big enough.

Edit: SBC #32 had 25% attack speed. :D
I guess I'll farm this seed some more to see if I get a duplicate. Anyway, 25% should be enough... for now. :D

Edit 2: 33% attack speed on #34. It's not exactly a duplicate, but I'm starting to believe in the seed theory again. *g*

kalyan

09-19-2007, 02:21 AM

Congrats on your SBCs ! :) Patience beats everything.
Did you noticed how many pairs with both suffix and prefix you got?

Fun. Having 80% cold resistance is worth a try I guess, and having Colossus on might help too.

Yeah, I too thought that Colossus + BS might help. Barmanu disagreed. This guy is a pure evil. Hades and Typhon are kids comparing to him.

1) He stuns you every time with his warcry, even with stun resist 200% (cap is 80%, but still, wtf?)

2) Then he calls that blizzard ... it consist of 15 rocks, each rock does about 4000 damage. I'm not sure if that number already reduced by any resistances (I have 20% DR and 80% Cold). So here you go - at least 60K damage attack.

69 clev conqueror reduces each hit by 500 with her armor and then 78% damage absorption comes into play (Colossus+BS), which reduces damage per rock to 770.

Still, it only takes 10 out of 15 rocks to kill 7000hp+ char.

Seriously, what were devs thinking giving a guy 100% stun ability and 60K attack? And if so, how he's only a mid-boss? He should be sitting in Hades palace instead of olympian. Hades barely scratches that conq under 78% absorb.

So, I need haruspex with 100% CAP to farm Barmanu, otherwise it's just waste of time.

Hyperion²

09-19-2007, 04:23 AM

100% CAP is reachable with every kind of mastery coupling; haruspex has the advantage over the other ones of accomplishing that with fewer items.

Minervian

09-19-2007, 05:19 AM

Seriously, what were devs thinking giving a guy 100% stun ability and 60K attack? And if so, how he's only a mid-boss? He should be sitting in Hades palace instead of olympian. Hades barely scratches that conq under 78% absorb.

I believe it's because... he's an optional side quest boss, not necessary for the main quest arc. He's hard to kill- but at worst, you don't need to.

If the end-act bosses were this hard, which many players have thought so before in the case of Typhon, then we would have tons of players complaining....!

Same with Toxeus... idiot made my Champion die her 10th and 11th times.

BTW, I really wanted to post to say congrats to Galefury for the SBCAs! You and this thread inspire me to try... again!

Galefury

09-19-2007, 08:46 AM

The worst thing about Barmanu is, his quest doesn't even give you a good reward. I usually just skipped him when I played before.

Just look through your uniques a bit (Zeno's shield comes to mind) and farm up a Knot of Isis. Zeno's + Isis alone give you 40%. Getting 100% COP won't be easy, but should be possible. Also, Veteran's prefix on torso armor gives 15%, of the Glade suffix gives 8%. Of Guile also gives some. Just in case you can't find uniques that help avoiding for torso or hands.

Besides, as you said, you only need to kill him when he has Sapros. You might die a few times, but I've always managed to kill him when I tried, sometimes racking up around 10 deaths in the process. If you got good dex you can also max Hamstring and use a bow. That worked great on those annoying bosses in vanilla TQ (with "those" I mean the bull...). No idea if bosses resist movement slow now though.

Or you could just go back to Polyphem. :/

Oh, and of the 36 SBC I got, 10 had prefix and suffix. One was a duplicate though, not sure if those should be counted. Either I've been very lucky, or the game calculates it in a different way than you think. 10 of 36 is about 28%. That's not exactly 10%, but more around 45%*45% + 10%. That would be a weird way to calculate it though, so maybe I was just really lucky.

Whisk33

09-19-2007, 10:36 AM

If you are going to do Baruman you need to tank him!
Haruspex with ToE.

You will need maxed dodge projectile and then just run and let him metoer you.
Keep your resistances negative and watch him kill himself in one attack. Mufasa and hello unique maces. heck and then you get to open the chest as an additional little bonus...

kalyan

09-19-2007, 02:41 PM

Other classes became too weak with 100% CAP.

Yeah, I have Anciles (Zenos too), Isis and some other stuff, can equip 60-65% CAP w/o much sacrifices. But need to see if it will be enough for Barmanu.

Either I've been very lucky, or the game calculates it in a different way than you think. 10 of 36 is about 28%. That's not exactly 10%, but more around 45%*45% + 10%. That would be a weird way to calculate it though, so maybe I was just really lucky.

I have 2 from 10 - 20%. The weights in dbr's are 2,9,9 for both/suffix/prefix, which usually means 10/45/45%.

Well, game sometimes have weird seeds. Consecutive dupe drops, dupe drops month away from each other, different people finding Homados with the same seed ...

BTW, I really wanted to post to say congrats to Galefury for the SBCAs! You and this thread inspire me to try... again!

I'm sure that after 20-40 min of minoan farming (last fountain, 4 rooms back) you'll have your cuffs. GL. :)

e-Note

09-19-2007, 08:03 PM

different people finding Homados with the same seed ...

Are U talking about me?:shifty:

BTW, when fighting Bramanu, my assassin with high (approximately 150%) stun resistance always managed to avoid his meteorites even being stunned (hate this res cup), because he casts them 2-3 sec after trying to make you gloomy and waiting for them sacrificially.

kalyan

09-19-2007, 08:53 PM

Yes, about you. :)

Sometimes he casts after 2-3 sec, sometimes less.
Anyway, with 61% CAP my char survives his blizzard. Got first uniq mace after 30 runs .. its going to take a while. :confused:

Galefury

09-20-2007, 12:02 AM

I calculated the chances for some good affixes on Kthonian Spikes, and made an excel sheet (http://www.titanquest.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=966&stc=1&d=1190260824) for calculating affix chances. It has the Kthonian Spike data in it too, so it shouldn't be hard to figure out what goes where. It saves a lot of typing on the calculator.

Now about those Kthonian Spikes:
If there is a prefix, the chance for it to be good is 2.21%. In this case, good means good enough so you would use the weapon without a suffix, and it would be somewhat useable even without a relic. As you see, the chance for a great prefix is very low, about 1 in 45.
Included are:
Veteran's 0.88%
Relentless 0.45%
Ferocious 0.03%
Savage 0.02%
Murderous 0.40%
Treacherous 0.39%
Impaling 0.02%
Puncturing 0.02%

The chance for a good suffix is 23.93%. The suffixes aren't quite as awesome as the prefixes though. Some of them may not be enough to make you use the weapon without some mediocre prefix.
Included are:
Alacrity 4.62%
Speed 1.54%
Trickery 1.03%
Winds 1.03%
Annihilation 6.90%
Devouring 4.60%
Feasting 1.53%
Havoc 1.15%
Chaos 0.77%
Eagle 0.38%
Falcon 0.38%

For affixes from the same line, I listed the better one first. This is from the regular L3 spear tables btw. I don't know why the L4 tables aren't used, but that's how it is. I haven't checked the table a/b weightings for regular spears, but I suppose they are the same, so the chances would be the same for other late legendary spears.

Whisk33

09-20-2007, 10:35 AM

Wow this thread is really becoming massive.
Thought
Maybe link to the previous post on the first page when it talks about the spike etc. for any further data?

Galefury

09-20-2007, 08:48 PM

You will need maxed dodge projectile and then just run and let him metoer you. Keep your resistances negative and watch him kill himself in one attack.
This is working very well. Running triple Barmanu right now. :D

No need for a Haruspex by the way, my Templar can do it just fine. I don't even need ToE, I'm using Rally for the reflection. I only needed to replace three items to get 100% dodge, halving my DPS in the process. Not like it matters, since Barmanu kills himself anyway.

kalyan

09-21-2007, 12:07 AM

Added: Prowler's Cuirass, Sabertooth.

Galefury, thanks for template.

I don't even need ToE, I'm using Rally for the reflection

Gonna try that.

Galefury

09-21-2007, 07:30 AM

Prowler's Leguards can be nice with the right mods. +20% attack speed, 7% melee dodge.

Sabertooth Mantle from the tiger mages also great. -20% mana cost, 35 int.
Edit: looks like you need to kill around 1000 tiger mages to get one of these. Chance to equip a tigerman mantle is about 1/4, chance for a tigerman mantle to be a Sabertooth Mantle is about 1/250.

The db entry for the Melinoe mage helm also looks good. 30% elemental resistance, +16% elemental damage.
Edit: it seems like that helm cant be dropped, because Melinoe never use helms. :(

In other news, I got my Sapros. And as silly as that may be, it dropped from Barmanu's chest. I guess I got lucky. Got about 6 or 7 unique maces from Barmanu too.

Whisk33

09-21-2007, 03:22 PM

%dodge Melee shouldnt really matter for you
Especially with the defense tree. You really need the Projectile dodge against Baruman.

But good pointing out that a Haruspex isn't needed.

Durus

09-24-2007, 11:01 PM

I've done a few Ampelian Caves runs looking for Soldier's Unyielding Will. However, I'm not killing everything in sight. I'm looking for formicids carrying shields that match the item. I'm ignoring ones with Stygian Bucklers and the like. Good strat? What's the base item type for the Soldier's Unyielding Will? I know Batrochos are Anouran Greaves.

kalyan

09-25-2007, 01:20 AM

Seems very reasonable strat to me.
I think SUW don't paired with special "common" item like Batrachos/Anouran, ants just wear usual shields.

dyords

09-25-2007, 01:26 AM

i got soldiers unyielding will from normal formacids. it looks like a wing of a huge green elongated scarab. gave me 110 DA which is pretty good in normal for my haruspex.

ffreakk

09-25-2007, 10:07 AM

Sorry to hijack the thread, but can someone help me clear this up? As im not too familiar w the Prefixes and Suffixes, other than that of IT weapons.

Is Hallowed Stonebinder's Cuff of the Betrayer legit? (as far as i know Hallowed only spawn on helms, and i never even seen any "Betrayer" stuff.. But seems its a widely desired _weapon_ suffix)

While we are at it, is Hale Malachite Seal of the Betrayer legit also? (why both also betrayer? and i dont even know whats a malachite seal)..

Poinas

09-25-2007, 10:38 AM

Is Hallowed Stonebinder's Cuff of the Betrayer legit? (as far as i know Hallowed only spawn on helms, and i never even seen any "Betrayer" stuff.. But seems its a widely desired _weapon_ suffix)

While we are at it, is Hale Malachite Seal of the Betrayer legit also? (why both also betrayer? and i dont even know whats a malachite seal)..

Hallowed = Helm suffix
of the Betrayer = At least in patches 1.15 and 1.20 it was only a weapon suffix. No more that suffix in IT at all. It was a ring suffix in 1.11 as far as I remember
Hale = suffix for rings, amulets..etc.

So neither of those items can be dropped anymore. So I'd say the are not legit, even if they've been gotten in legitly with previous patches.

Galefury

09-25-2007, 10:39 AM

No, they certainly aren't. Hallowed can only spawn on helms. Of the Betrayer doesn't even spawn anymore in IT, and I'm not sure it could ever spawn on rings.

Malachite is one of the quality grades for items made of metal. It's usually not displayed for magical items, like all rings. But TQVault displays it anyway. For rings and amulets the only thing it changes is the color of the item. For other items, different quality grades have slightly different base stats.

ffreakk

09-25-2007, 10:53 AM

Right.. So the ring might be legit and the Cuff never was. I guess so, suspected since i saw Hallowed Stoney.. Even i know that thing only goes for helm ;). Thx for clearing it up.. Then i know now that trading aint that safe.. Wouldnt want some cheat to spoil the game now :D.

Argantes

09-25-2007, 11:35 AM

so are there still any +1/2 to skill rings in TQ IT?

btw back to topic, posting image of legendary (Venomous) Staff of the Magi (of Sulfur) for kalyan, was quite lucky with that drop :)

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/6442/staffmagizs4.png (http://imageshack.us)

Poinas

09-25-2007, 12:59 PM

so are there still any +1/2 to skill rings in TQ IT?

No, there aren't any yellow/green rings with +skills.

Galefury

09-25-2007, 01:01 PM

Well, there were Black Pearl and Crystal rings. I'm pretty sure they can still spawn with + all skills.

I_Raps

09-25-2007, 02:48 PM

You can get the rings with +1 or +2 to each Mastery, such as "Assassin's Ring" - +2 to Rogue Skills.

I don't think the rare +1 or +2 all skills (Divine or Sacred) ever occurred on rings, only amulets.

Right.. So the ring might be legit and the Cuff never was...

As for your "Hallowed" Cuffs and Seal "of the Betrayer," this is where they come from:

http://www.titanquest.net/forums/modifications-editor/17003-item-editing-question.html.
Neither are truely legit. "of the Betrayer" was only ever a weapon suffix.

Durus

09-25-2007, 03:20 PM

You can get the rings with +1 or +2 to each Mastery, such as "Assassin's Ring" - +2 to Rogue Skills.

I don't think the rare +1 or +2 all skills (Divine or Sacred) ever occurred on rings, only amulets.

As for your "Hallowed" Cuffs and Seal "of the Betrayer," this is where they come from:

http://www.titanquest.net/forums/modifications-editor/17003-item-editing-question.html.
Neither are truely legit. "of the Betrayer" was only ever a weapon suffix.

You sure about that? I have one of those rings and the guy who gave it to me (without me asking for it) said he got it from a vendor in 1.08. He also said that most people who have only played IT will swear up and down that it isn't legit.

ffreakk

09-25-2007, 03:31 PM

Durus

09-25-2007, 03:35 PM

I_Raps

09-25-2007, 03:51 PM

I see.. Only wanted to verify the legitimacy of the items.. I hav no interest in choosing what i pick up, defeat the whole purpose of the game IMO ;). Then again even if i wanted to, my total lack of talent/knowledge/ability/interest in turn, make it impossible for me :p..

Whatever, i ll just go on farming like i did.. And enjoying a no-death challenge w my friend at home also.. He pick my class, i pick his and see who can make it to the end w/o dying.. fun fun ;).

Oh, didnt someone says that Betrayer spawns on rings on 1.11 and prior?

Yeah, someone said that it does and someone said that it doesn't, so who knows? :confused:

I know, that's who knows. :whistle:

The Betrayer suffix came in patch 1.20. Trust me - or read the patch notes from the game's Producer: http://www.titanquest.net/forums/developer-digest/9743-balance-patch-notes.html?highlight=betrayer. It was only ever a weapon suffix.

Also, all the item abilities, skills, weapons, monsters, etc., can be examined by anyone with the game installed using Art Manager. You can simply read the list of affixes that might possibly spawn with any item, for example a ring. If you quickly scan through that thread I posted above in message #65, you will see that I am quite familiar with the item affixes and how they spawn.

ffreakk, as for your "lack of talent/knowledge/ability," even someone with those lacks could have found that ring. Early in that thread I posted is a link to mod where any slacker could walk in, open a chest or two, and collect those items you mentioned; so yes, when it comes to trading, it's "Buyer Beware."

Galefury

09-25-2007, 04:31 PM

You can get the rings with +1 or +2 to each Mastery, such as "Assassin's Ring" - +2 to Rogue Skills.

I don't think the rare +1 or +2 all skills (Divine or Sacred) ever occurred on rings, only amulets.
Black Pearl Rings could always give +1/+2 to all skills, and still can. They can also have the +1/+2 to a single mastery prefixes. Same for Crystal Ring. Jade Band can have +1 to one or all masteries.

This is pretty rare, and I don't have one of those rings, but in the loot tables it definitely looks like it can happen.

I_Raps

09-25-2007, 04:35 PM

Black Pearl Rings could always give +1/+2 to all skills, and still can. They can also have the +1/+2 to a single mastery prefixes. Same for Crystal Ring. Jade Band can have +1 to one or all masteries.

This is pretty rare, and I don't have one of those rings, but in the loot tables it definitely looks like it can happen.

Right. They have their own unique tables of affixes, though; they don't use the default ring tables. Pythia's Vestment* is like that, a torso armor that can spawn with jewelry affixes.

*As well as the Pythia's Clasp, an armband that can spawn with jewelry affixes.

Durus

09-25-2007, 04:43 PM

I know, that's who knows. :whistle:

The Betrayer suffix came in patch 1.20. Trust me - or read the patch notes from the game's Producer: http://www.titanquest.net/forums/developer-digest/9743-balance-patch-notes.html?highlight=betrayer. It was only ever a weapon suffix.

Also, all the item abilities, skills, weapons, monsters, etc., can be examined by anyone with the game installed using Art Manager. You can simply read the list of affixes that might possibly spawn with any item, for example a ring. If you quickly scan through that thread I posted above in message #65, you will see that I am quite familiar with the item affixes and how they spawn.

ffreakk, as for your "lack of talent/knowledge/ability," even someone with those lacks could have found that ring. Early in that thread I posted is a link to mod where any slacker could walk in, open a chest or two, and collect those items you mentioned; so yes, when it comes to trading, it's "Buyer Beware."

The balance thread you linked says "- Added Epic and Legendary only rare affixes: Mammoth, Kingly, of the Siren, of the Betrayer" but says nothing about it being a weapon only affix. I'll have to try Art Manager with 1.80 installed since using it on IT will show that the affix can't go on anything.

I_Raps

09-25-2007, 04:53 PM

The balance thread you linked says "- Added Epic and Legendary only rare affixes: Mammoth, Kingly, of the Siren, of the Betrayer" but says nothing about it being a weapon only affix. I'll have to try Art Manager with 1.80 installed since using it on IT will show that the affix can't go on anything.

The files you'll want to check are those in:

records\item\loottables\finger\
records\item\loottables\weapons\
Have fun.

Or, you could just look in:

records\item\lootmagicalaffixes\suffix\default\
and see if it even exists.

It shouldn't be hard to find; it's called:

records\item\lootmagicalaffixes\suffix\default\rar e_betrayer_01.dbr

kalyan

09-25-2007, 05:53 PM

so are there still any +1/2 to skill rings in TQ IT?

btw back to topic, posting image of legendary (Venomous) Staff of te Magi (of Sulfur) for kalyan, was quite lucky with that drop :)

Yes there are. I can point you to the last post of this (http://forums.ag.ru/?board=d2_main&action=display&s=0&num=1159956069) thread. Click on white "spoiler-hidies" to see the chances. Some info on russian, but mostly it's english.

Bottom line: chance to spawn Sacred on Black Pearl or Crystal Ring is ~ 1%.

Sacred BPR of Focus would be absolutely kick-*** item for a mage
(recharge should work on it, I guess, or no?).

And hey, thanks for the screen, nice find!

Added: Staff of the Magi, The Night Mistress's Clutch.

I_Raps

09-25-2007, 06:04 PM

No, there aren't any yellow/green rings with +skills.

I think Poinas' point is still true, though, as far as bonuses to all skills; or do the +allskills suffixes appear on the non-unique ring tables? I've never seen any drop, but I've never gone through all the lists.

...
Sacred BPR of Focus would be absolutely kick-*** item for a mage
(recharge should work on it, I guess, or no?).
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I'm afraid "of Focus" and other affixes which give -%recharge are not working in IT.

Galefury

09-25-2007, 06:54 PM

I_Raps

09-26-2007, 01:12 AM

Non-unique rings will never give + to all skills. Neither will unique ones, other than those few percent of Black Pearl/Crystal/Jade rings.

About the -recharge not working thingie, does the -recharge on Staff of the Magi work?

Yes. Any item with a built-in -recharge works, it's only the affixes that are defective; and they use to work before 1.30; it's probably something in the updated formulae that's gone wrong (maybe a , instead of a .)

Argantes

09-26-2007, 03:08 AM

yep, (not only) my tests proved, that Staff of the Magi and Shaman´s Leggings are the only 2 greenies (both MI) that still work. but must agree with I_Raps, "of Focus" suffix is unfortunately of no use in IT

ah, and thanks for the rings with skills thing :)

Galefury

09-28-2007, 06:18 PM

Hm, I just found a nice trick/cheat for making MI farming easier. Many MIs use a slightly different texture than the normal monster item. Just change it to something that is easy to see, like bright red, or yellow/black stripes. Then just run through the area till you see something bright. It's basically a slightly cheaty extension of the "only kill Machae with black suits" strategy. It doesn't work on all MIs though, since not everything has a different texture.

Doing this for something that is easy to get is kind of overkill, but those Tigerman mages pissed me off by not dropping their infrequent armor... There's so few Tigerman mages, and a 1/1000 chance for the infrequent armor isn't exactly high either.

kalyan

09-28-2007, 06:34 PM

You mean that?

http://i24.tinypic.com/2cxe1zk.png

Not a very desirable MI for a mage imho - no recharge.

Galefury

09-28-2007, 07:38 PM

Not having to drink potions makes playing a lot more pleasant, so reduced energy cost is very useful. Put in a Golden Fleece and you got -50% on a single item, which makes getting to that sweet 80+% reduced cost so much easier. Recharge can be gotten from non-torso items anyway.

kalyan

09-28-2007, 08:12 PM

I think MI is great if it have something special, which can't be found on uniques. Stuff like Homados, Cuffs+3, Batrachos.
-20% energy cost == +25% mana
Cestus (http://www.gamebanshee.com/cgi-bin/search/banshee_search.pl?_layout=TitanQuest_Items_Page&_cgifunction=search&TitanQuest_Items.id=38) provides comparable mana bonus and more.

Btw recharge is harder to get than all forms of mana (flat bonuses, regen, -cost, both absolute and %).

Galefury

09-28-2007, 08:57 PM

You can get -100% recharge with only 3 items (Tracker's Hood, Archmage's Clasp, Talisman of the Jade Emperor), but that's impractical because you have to spread your stats. Second best are all the possibilities for getting it with 4 items, all of them including either Archmage's Clasp or Tracker's Hood, and usually the Jade Talisman too. The possibilities are certainly not endless, but there are a few good ones. 5 or 6 items doesn't leave enough room for pushing other stats IMO, but it's a good option for lower levels, when you cant use the Jade Talisman yet. Or if you want to use Ikon of Zeus, Eye of Ra, Elemental Rage or Symbol of the Polymath, I'll have to experiment with those I guess. With so many combinations available using the torso for recharge is absolutely not necessary, and IMO not a good option in most lategame situations.

Besides, -20% energy cost is only the same as +25% mana if you don't think about energy regeneration and potion use. If you get more energy you still spend the same amount. With -x% energy cost you actually spend less energy (duh), which means you need to drink fewer potions, and can regen the energy back faster, which makes playing less of a hassle. At around -70 or 80% you can usually stop using mana potions completely. It's the same reason that makes me get a mana leech item for weapon users, it's convenient. Sure, you can always chain chug potions, or get more energy and sometimes drink potions. But it's so much more convenient to never have to drink potions because the remaining cost is covered by your mana regen. Life leech (% damage converted, not the damage type ;) ) is also very nice, for the same reason.
Bottom line: less potions = convenient = good.

I might use Cestus if I could put a Golden Fleece in it without cheating, but unfortunately I cant. Or if it had -20% energy cost or +1 to skills on top of its other stats, but unfortunately it doesn't. IMO stuff like Calypso's Cover or Mantle of the Overlord (both give +2 skills) is way better, a lot better than any torso armor with recharge reduction. Cestus is one of the best recharge armors though. Bai Hu's Mantle is awesome because it gives -20% energy cost on its own, and you can put a Golden Fleece in it. -50% is more than any other item in the game gives, exactly what I'm looking for in an MI. Now you could of course put a Golden Fleece in any rare/MI armor, but the difference between -60% and -80% is pretty big. Same deal as with recharge or resists, the more you already have the better it gets. The absolute gain is always the same, but the relative gain rises, which is often more interesting than the absolute gain.

For some of my thoughts on 100% recharge mage equipment you could also read this (http://www.titanquest.net/forums/storm/18928-druid-high-end-gear.html#post181123).

Anyway, theorycrafting for the win. :D

kalyan

09-28-2007, 11:58 PM

Galefury

Don't like Tracker's Hood for mage -> need too much dex (int build FTW) and only one useful stat.
I tend to prefer balanced gear which gives a little bit of everything, than going with one good stat on one item, because IMHO it gives more durable chars.

Also, let's not forget that you can get percent there and there depending on seed.
Tiresias' Guide or Hesione's Golden Veil - I have 15-17 versions.
Jade Emperor (25), ArchmageClasp (43 on mine), no other choices here.
That's 85. Now I can just put on Cestus (15) and done with it. 4 items. It leaves me an option of AF amulet.
Or Polaris (15) with Vestment of the Overlord / Calypso, certainly good armors also.
When I'd find a bit better Clasp I may change setup for int helm and still get away with 4 recharge items and int build.
I won't touch weapon there, it's too class-related (my prophet likes Sakur-Aba (http://www.gamebanshee.com/cgi-bin/search/banshee_search.pl?_layout=TitanQuest_Items_Page&_cgifunction=search&TitanQuest_Items.id=1691), found it recently).

With so many combinations available using the torso for recharge is absolutely not necessary, and IMO not a good option in most lategame situations.

I can say the same - with so many +mana in various forms on caster's gear, using the torso for -50% cost greenie is absolutely not necessary. http://forum.ixbt.com/rolleyes.gif

But then again, we looking from a bit different perspectives - you are druid, I am a prophet (ToC), so our priorities for gear is different. ;)

Anyway, your post at High End Gear thread is really well-thought, covers every aspect of caster setup and I agree with it (except prolly Tracker's Hood recommendation). Copied it to my TQ info folder.

Galefury

09-29-2007, 05:14 AM

I didn't really recommend Tracker's Hood, I wrote somewhere that I recommend using the int setup. Something like that, I don't remember. It's more focused, which is a good thing IMO. I posted the Tracker's stuff mostly because I needed to think about whether it would be good for my Druid, so I posted advantages and disadvantages. I also wanted to provide an alternative to Archmage's Clasp, which is pretty rare (I have yet to find one, and since farming Typhon for it became boring I'm currently not even looking for one :( ). Tracker's might be good for some caster types (melee elementalist comes to mind), but probably not for Druids.

Using the Torso for mana is not necessary at all, Using it for +2 to skills is great too. +1 with other great bonuses is also nice. Getting to +4 without torso armor or fighter items (Stonebinder's, Revenant stuff) is pretty hard though, and the major recharge armors don't give + to skills. 50% reduced mana cost is also great. I would probably wear the mana cost when I can still kill easily, and wear + to skills or defensive armor if things get difficult. The torso pieces usually give the biggest bonuses of all, and are pretty diverse, which is why I will try to not use it for recharge. Switchable torso armor makes a caster so much more adaptable.

By the way, what is playing a Prophet like? The combination seems pretty bad to me, but maybe a certain playing style can make it useful.

Also, your no gold drops mod is awesome. I found it a few days ago, and it makes farming so much better. The gold drops from single bosses are annoying, but the amount of gold drops you get from Triple Telkines/Typhon is just... ARGH. Especially when you're just looking for lowlevel formulas, but need to pick up all the gold so you can see all items.

kalyan

09-29-2007, 09:41 PM

Galefury

I also wanted to provide an alternative to Archmage's Clasp, which is pretty rare (I have yet to find one, and since farming Typhon for it became boring I'm currently not even looking for one ).

Yeah, it seems 10x more rare than other Archmage's stuff, or it's my weird luck I don't know.

Getting to +4 without torso armor or fighter items (Stonebinder's, Revenant stuff) is pretty hard though, and the major recharge armors don't give + to skills.

I can settle for +3 on boots and ammy/armor. As you nail it - stats like recharge gets better the more you have, +skills is generally not.
Is it even possible to combine int build, 100 recharge and +4 to all skills? Without elusive items like +skills ring?

By the way, what is playing a Prophet like? The combination seems pretty bad to me, but maybe a certain playing style can make it useful.

So far so good. I think Dream is a great supportive mastery, useful for both casters and meleers - Trance of Convalescence to regenerate hp/mana and I plan to use Distort Reality + Temporal Rift combo to petrify and damage mobs. Plus all usual stuff in Storm.
Should be really durable and safe char, though likely not nearly as universal for farming as my conq70.

Also, your no gold drops mod is awesome. I found it a few days ago, and it makes farming so much better.

Glad you like it. Gold is really irritating for farming. Though I not the only author, Evil-Good patched the first sub. ;)
Hope SS will include it in defiler, so more people can use it.

Btw, you need that -cost tiger MI? I can vault it to you, don't have much use of it anyway.
Also I have similar helm:
http://i21.tinypic.com/2isimgp.png

Galefury

09-30-2007, 04:20 AM

Thanks for the nice offer, but I would rather find it myself.

I hope the no-gold patch gets included in Defiler too. Doing it manually is somewhat annoying (at least to me, since I'm not used to it), and most people don't even have a hex editor installed, or don't know what the stuff you wrote means.

+4 with -100% recharge is possible. +2 on Torso (Vestment of the Overlord, Calypso's Cover), +1 on Helm (Hallowed, Crown of Dockma'Ar, any rare with a +1 skills Erebus Crystal), +1 on boots (Demonskin Walkers, Loratian Greaves). That, or +2 each from Amulet and Torso. There are also several hard to get combinations.

I don't know if it's possible without hard to get items if you use a weapon that doesn't give recharge. That would most likely mean you have to use two of Torso, Amulet and Helm slots for recharge, exactly those that give the most +skills. With a +3 Helm (Hallowed and +2 crystal) you could get it with +1 greaves I guess, using Polaris and one of the recharge torsos to get to -100% recharge (with AM clasp and Jade Talisman). +2 crystals are very hard to get though. The alternative would be a +skills ring, which is also hard to get. I currently can't think of other ways to get to +4. +3 isn't hard though.

And I still don't see how Dream is such a great support for casters. Sure, some parts of the Lucid Dream tree can still be useful, and there's the trances. Maybe I don't see it because I hate DR/TR.

kalyan

09-30-2007, 01:41 PM

But what if I don't want to swap staff for -recharge?
Leaves Artifact + Ammy + Gloves. Even if Polaris can go up to 17 and ArchmageClasp up to 50 ... still be short. Need crystal+2 or +skills ring.
Anyway, something to think about.
Heh, it would be so much easier if greens worked properly with -recharge.

Maybe I don't see it because I hate DR/TR.
Exactly because of that. May I ask why you hate it?
Great skill and placeable to MMB which is especially valuable in crippled TQ interface.
Damage gets boosted by Squall, Lucid Dream, items (rings included) and also ToW, if you decide to be more offensive than ToC.

Galefury

09-30-2007, 02:40 PM

Maybe the greens (and yellows) can be fixed? A comparison of some 1.20 and 1.30 database entries might help. If it was a code change that broke them that wont help though.

ToW doesn't sound like it would be good for casters, the range is pretty low.

I hate DR/TR mostly because it doesn't activate reliably for me, which makes it not very good as an emergency skill. Also the damage is low, especially for melee builds (no int boost to the electrical burn because int is too low, and AFAIK str doesn't boost physical spell damage), while caster builds don't get many non-emergency chances to use it. If enough enemies are close to you to make stunning them worthwhile, you would most likely already be dead.
If it was an 8+8 skill (with the same stats at level 8 it now has at 12) I might like it more, but 12+12 is too much for what that skill offers IMO. And not maxing it means the damage is even worse. The idea of putting mass stun and dot on the same skill is awesome, but why make the base skill damage physical and vitality, the worst damage types a spell can have (physical gets greatly reduced by armor, and both don't get stat boosts afaik)? I had it on 1+12 for a while, but didn't like that either. The stun seemed too short I think, it seemed like it was not really 7 seconds. DR/TR seemed great on paper, but it was very disappointing ingame.

Now if I missed something there, please tell me, I have no problem with giving it another chance. But from my experience it seems pretty damn useless to me.

kalyan

09-30-2007, 03:04 PM

May be they can be fixed or may be not. Most vets will say that recharge is already overpowered, don't make it even easier.
At least skillCooldownReduction is there, at suffix files, I think it was there on 1.20 also, though I don't have the old base.

We'll come back to DR/TR question when I'll finish my Prophet. ;)

Galefury

09-30-2007, 03:16 PM

This thread (http://www.titanquest.net/forums/technical-corner/9810-need-backups-original-game-files-come-here.html) has db files and other game files for some old versions, including 1.20. Fixing the recharge suffixes wouldn't really make recharge any more powerful I think, except maybe the golden fleece with recharge completion bonus. It's only 9% though, and cant vary, so it could only patch up small holes, not provide a major bonus. I'm not quite sure about this, but I think the recharge suffixes can only spawn on helms and maybe staves, and very rarely on some unique items. The only thing that might bring recharge to equipment slots that don't already (or rather: not anymore) have uniques for it would be the unique rings I think, maybe some of the other uniques too. But that's rare enough to not be a problem.

Edit: With Shaman's leggings it would be easier to get +4 skills without using a recharge weapon. Just use torso + ammy with +2 skills each, with Hesione's and Shaman's Leggings for recharge. I don't know the other base stats of the Shaman's Leggings though, they probably don't have movespeed.

Argantes

10-01-2007, 04:42 AM

speaking of Shaman´s Leggings, my 2 from normal have 2 -x%recharge bonuses (like -7% recharge and -12% recharge), but found one in epic and they have only one bonus on them (the lesser one, actually) ... so what does the database say? which are more common? can those from epic spawn with only one bonus? and what about legendary ones? haven´t found one of these yet, so have no idea

btw started a caster prophet few days ago, just to try those cool looking ice shards - ok, i know, they are not as good as other abilities in legendary, but i dont care, i just wanna have my fun :) taking ToC for health/mana regen. and dam. absorp. and that DR/TR combo for more safety - petrified monsters in close range should be iceshardpierced quite comfortably, i guess :)

TitanCalc by stonedonkey - A Titan Quest Calculator - Prophet (http://www.titancalc.com/TitanCalc.asp?mastery=Prophet&master1=8&master2=9&sa=21&m1=32-12-1-6-1-8-8-8-12-0-0-8-6-12-0-8-1-12-0-8-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&m2=32-8-1-1-0-8-0-1-1-1-0-0-12-1-0-1-6-0-0-1-12-0-0-0-0-0-0-0)

Poinas

10-01-2007, 07:51 AM

Argantes

10-01-2007, 08:37 AM

hm, but having 2 of 2 normal SL with the same affix is little too much for a coincidence, don´t you think? :) they are no dupes and not from the same seed, but whatever. i´ll check them with TQ Vault for affixes and i´ll make some tests if both recharge bonuses are working or not, something like combinatorial exercise with -x%recharge gear .. man, i hate(d) math :D

Whisk33

10-01-2007, 10:07 AM

hm, but having 2 of 2 normal SL with the same affix is little too much for a coincidence, don´t you think? :)
coincidence

noun
1. an event that might have been arranged although it was really accidental

Next I'll define chance....

Argantes

10-01-2007, 12:34 PM

coincidence

noun
1. an event that might have been arranged although it was really accidental

Next I'll define chance....

haR haR, very funni, indeed :clap:

ok, i´m back from work, so here we go: first of all, neither one nor the other Shaman´s Leggings from Normal have -% recharge prefix or suffix, one of them are Insulated (+fire resist.), the other are Scholar´s (+energy). btw the epic ones are Savant´s (+more energy)

then i made that recharge test and equipped:
-15% from Cestus
-14% from Staff of the Magi
-20% from Arcane Bindings (btw they have -20% energy cost as well)
-25% from artifact
-10% from Orb of the Fallen (amulet)

= -84% recharge, so i need at least -16% recharge, which means both bonuses have to work to get over -100% recharge

equipped normal Insulated (12%+5%) - ok
equipped normal Scholar´s (14%+5%) - ok
equipped epic Savant´s (9%) - not ok :)

so my question is still the same, what does the database say about this?

well, now it´s your turn, maestro :whistle: ;)

I_Raps

10-01-2007, 01:42 PM

...
so my question is still the same, what does the database say about this?

I don't know about your database, but my database says this is perfectly normal* and expected:

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/4304/normshamlegrn5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The 12% is directly added to your -x% recharge; the 5% multiplies all of your -x% recharge by 1.05.

So your equipped normal Insulated is actually ((84% + 12%) * 105%) - ok

Looking at the Epic and Legendary bonuses, it's apparent that the 12% addition is extraneous. The skillCooldownReductionModifier ramps up from 5 to 8 to 10, but the skillCooldownReduction disappears.

* in a buggy and non-normal sort of way.

Argantes

10-01-2007, 02:08 PM

wow, this is one really weird way of calculation, that i even didn´t count with :knockout: thanks

kalyan

10-01-2007, 08:33 PM

2Argantes: do you mind posting a screenshot of the item stats?
Is reduction and reductionModifier have exactly the same names?

Answering other part of your question: only normal SL have both: 12 flat recharge together with 5 modifier. Epic have just 8 mod, and Legendary just 10 mod.

Likely, it's a bug, and means that normal SL give the most recharge, because nobody will have more than 100 anyway.

Argantes

10-02-2007, 03:08 AM

ok, i´ll add them later and yes, reduction and reductionModifier have exactly the same names, that´s why i thought that both stats provide flat recharge

well, that means, that i can stop my hunt for epic/legendary SL with better recharge bonus now .. damn, i really need to find that Archmage´s Clasp :)

edit: googled for some pictures of (normal) Shaman´s Leggings, here they are:
http://dudovec.extra.hu/items.jpg

Minervian

10-02-2007, 03:44 AM

I've got one pair too, normal. Very handy (footy?) item.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v284/Tritone/tq/Anck_orient04shamanleggings.jpg

kalyan

10-02-2007, 03:47 AM

Yeah, same names, devs dropped the ball here.

Btw my only Clasp came from Hades. Just don't farm Hydra for it, ok? :)

Galefury

10-06-2007, 09:48 AM

@kalyan: I don't remember in which thread we talked about prefix, suffix and prefix+suffix weightings being off, and I'm too lazy to search. Check game/gameengine.dbr. There's a list of randomizer weighting modifiers in there.

If they work the same way the monster exp modifiers work it's a percentage bonus. So 400 would mean +400% = *5. I got most of my cuffs from the queens, cuffs have weightings 2 9 9, boss modifiers are 600 500 500. New weightings would be 14 54 54, which would still be only about 10% for both prefix and suffix.

If they don't work like I'm thinking they do and the modifier is simply added, the weightings would be 602 509 509, which would be more in line with the around 25% cuffs with both prefix and suffix I found. Modifiers being added could only be true if they are not added if the weighting is 0, though, because otherwise you could find any MI without an affix (due to the NoPrefixNoSuffix modifier).

I don't know how those modifiers work, but they definitely work somehow. Bosses drop fewer broken items, and more magicals and rares than normal enemies. Same for quest enemies.

Edit: Silly me didn't check if there is another gameengine.dbr in the xpack folder. In case you didn't see that coming, there is one. Boss weightings are 3000 500 500 there, which would explain the high amount of cuffs with prefix and suffix I found. Champions only have 0 50 50, so farming the Gorgon Queens for cuffs might not be such a bad idea after all. On the other hand, of Alacrity is usually all people are after, and a prefix is a nice bonus, but not necessary. So Minoan Labyrinth is still the best place I guess. Also, the modifiers are definitely applied via multiplication, not via addition.

kalyan

10-06-2007, 12:33 PM

Oh dear, have to do some fixing. Guess I'll get to it in a couple of days.
Thanks!

VETkinn

10-12-2007, 12:45 AM

Guys, would you happen to get a monster infequent armor from the Minotaur Lord (Act 1, before the telkine). All I managed to get from him was a bunch of Raging Bulls and some green axes, but never green armor, and some yellow bull armors. If he does drops a monster infrequent armor, what would it be called?

I_Raps

10-12-2007, 01:29 AM

Minervian

10-12-2007, 04:05 AM

It's Breastplate of the Minotaur. Does look more like a big WWF belt though.

Here, I have one rather fun one here (Veteran's ... of Mana)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v284/Tritone/tq/VeteransBreastplateMinotaurMana.jpg

VETkinn

10-12-2007, 06:48 PM

Koz

10-13-2007, 12:46 PM

I was trying to farm for Revenant items and I found a bunch of Gilded Skeletons in the Wassu Caverns. But somebody in another thread said that you cannot get Revenant items from Gilded Skeletons in Act III only the ones in Act II. Is this correct? If so, that makes me angry, and means I wasted a lot of time.

Can anyone verify?

Koz

kalyan

10-13-2007, 01:10 PM

Yes, only Act2 gilded skellies can drop Revenant: all dbr's containing MI are named egypt_xx_gildedxxx. The ones with names orient_xx_gildedxxx don't contain MI.

Sorry for your time, but before farming you have to gather as much info as you can, not just count on luck.

Argantes

10-14-2007, 11:21 AM

Mr. Minotaur dropped "only" his breastplate of the bull on normal, but i think it´s not that bad :)

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/8435/bullplatexa5.png

Demandred614

10-21-2007, 09:39 AM

This is a great thread. After reading it, it has got me to do some farming for MI's. I was wondering how you figured out who drops what and what the percentages are? Like for example do Warlord helms and coats only drop from the black warlord tigermen, or can the pack leaders drop them too, or can just regular tigermen drop them? I've got a list of MI's from TQCatalog and I'm trying to collect them all. Thanks in advance.

Minervian

10-22-2007, 12:33 AM

:razz: (Drools)

It looks so lovely! How long did it take to get that?

Heh. Not very long, probably after some days of farming (legendary MinoLab run). I wasn't farming for this specifically, it just happened to drop. The Minolab run is a nice run with lots of unique axes, swords, Megalesios MI, Minotaur Lord MI.

Problem with this MI is that it looks seriously goofy no matter who puts it on (unless you're a minotaur).

bruto

11-02-2007, 06:21 PM

didn't read the whole thread, but the first post appears to be missing these:
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/8123/atoukzs4.jpg
(troglodyte hat)
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6799/myrmidonqt2.jpg
(axe dropped by some formicids, dont remember which ones)

nevermind the affixes on these two, it's not luck, it's rigged loottables :)

Cloudburst

11-05-2007, 12:48 PM

Haven't found any good green's, but this is alright I guess. Haven't seen this big AS before.

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/8594/saberhd4.jpg

Cloudburst

11-05-2007, 01:27 PM

Hey how did the sabertooth get left out of this list? Super easy source of attackspeed for those DW out there that can't lug around two heavy slow maces...

It wasn't left out actually, look again. ;) just missing a screenshot.

What class is a DW btw? Dream-Warfare?

e-Note

11-05-2007, 02:08 PM

DW means Dual Wield (-er) :)

Soranor

11-13-2007, 08:41 AM

I'm really starting to wonder which creature can drop Stheo's Wisdom. I've been farming Gorgons everywhere, got around 20 each of Stonebinder's Cuffs/Crown/Armor throughout all difficulties and much more Sentinel's stuff, but not a single Stheno's ever dropped.

I took a look at the dbr's and found out there is the following entry:
records\item\equipmenthelm\mi_e_gorgon.dbr
On a custom map I confimred it's the epic Stheno's Wisdom, dropped by Geomancers and Pyromancers (who usually give me Stonebinder's Crowns?).

Unlike the entries for Stonebinder's stuff, which all have a normal, an epic and a legendary counterpart, there only exists the epic Stheno's Wisdom, unless I missed something. Then again I've seen a screenshot of a normal Stheno's Wisdom somewhere here in the forums.

I'm confused. Has something changed since IT? Can those gorgon caster drop both Stonebinder's Crowns and Stheno's Wisdoms? Has anyone found one on legendary since IT?

Whisk33

11-13-2007, 03:04 PM

Hey I just thought of two things...

1) shouldnt this be in the IT section of this forum and not the Regular TQ?

2) Can Anyone with the know how make a custom map that has a merchant for each on of these items? The merchant only carries one Monster Infrequent and then you could just continuously run around to each of the mercs to refresh their store? Yeah? huh? Anyone? That way you could try and find a Juggys Rev plate of the Glade or whatever you be looking for...

Lillis

11-13-2007, 03:50 PM

I think there's one thing missing; namely the Ichthian Harpoon:

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w244/Sanningsmannen/itemmiveteransichthianharpoonoftheb.jpg

This one was obviously created on a custom map, but the 30% Piercing modifier along with average base speed is maybe too good to be true.

Since "of the Betrayer" apparently doesn't exist in IT one would have to downgrade in order to farm for such a spear. Anyway the complete stats on it would be:

(133 ~196) Bleeding Damage
10% Chance of +(81 ~ 119%)% Bleeding Damage
+(9 ~ 28)% Damage
+(6 ~ 18)% Attack Speed
+(7 ~ 22)% Offensive Ability
(17 ~ 32)% of Attack Damage converted to Health
+(21 ~ 39) Offensive Ability
(23 ~ 42)% Reduced Resistances for 3 seconds

*Drool*

Viper_Sweden

11-13-2007, 03:58 PM

:knockout:

Now I want a mod to bring back the removed affixes... :neutral:

Whisk33

11-13-2007, 04:09 PM

I think there's one thing missing; namely the Ichthian Harpoon:

BUt the actual Monster infrequent affixes on the weapon kinda suck, though the base stats are very nice...

kalyan

11-13-2007, 11:01 PM

Can Anyone with the know how make a custom map that has a merchant for each on of these items? The merchant only carries one Monster Infrequent and then you could just continuously run around to each of the mercs to refresh their store? Yeah? huh? Anyone? That way you could try and find a Juggys Rev plate of the Glade or whatever you be looking for...

I have such merchant with SBCs. It's possible to do more MIs, just takes time.

If a lot of people are interested in such mod - let me know, I'll make it.

Soranor

11-14-2007, 03:00 AM

I have such merchant with SBCs. It's possible to do more MIs, just takes time.

If a lot of people are interested in such mod - let me know, I'll make it.

I'm very interested. Since you have done it already for SBCs and I guess the prices for them are auto-calculated in the shops - how expensive are they? Usually MIs sell for much more than standard gear so that may give a "disadvantage" for players to get the feeling it's legit. ;)

I'm still not sure I'd buy them though. There's always the problem that:
1) games like TQ live by their replayability and long-term motivation, which comes for a very large part from the chances to improve gear (finding better items)
2) then again ridiculously low chances sometimes make you feel like cheating to get some of the items (which is the case with this shop - at least for some of us), but that may harm the feeling of accomplishment and reduce the replayablity :sick:

P.S. no infos on the Stheno's Wisdom (see my last post in here)?

kalyan

11-14-2007, 03:27 AM

Prices, say, about 10 mln for typical Legendary SBC.

Replayability is FTW, but if you need that Cuffs of Alacrity to finish char equip ... you may farm for a week or you may just create(buy) it and use that time for something else. I'm not saying everybody should do this, but it's good to have a choice.

Stheno's Wisdom. Pretty sure it's only Epic. I never find other versions.

ShopMI mod will be ready somewhere along this weekend, sunday prolly.
So if anybody wants some specific MI with good affixes ... it's your chance. :D

winkgood

11-14-2007, 04:19 AM

ShopMI mod will be ready somewhere along this weekend, sunday prolly.
So if anybody wants some specific MI with good affixes ... it's your chance. :D

A merch with these would be sweet. Please include Homados, Stormbinders, Bacharos (sp?), etc. I have all of these but with crap mods. It'd be nice to not have to farm another 10,000 hours just to get some decent mods with them.

Lillis

11-14-2007, 04:45 AM

BUt the actual Monster infrequent affixes on the weapon kinda suck, though the base stats are very nice...

True, I guess. Although, I don't know why so many people think Bleeding Damage is total crap. It's a completely viable source of damage, provided you have fitting skills. I mean, you wouldn't choose to capitalize on Piercing Damage with a Juggernaut (Earth/Defense), would you? Try Warlock for Bleeding Damage; you won't be disappointend ;)

Anyway, yes, it's crap if you don't have Hunting or Rogue as one of your masteries (then again, a Spear without Hunting is in many cases stupid). And true, the base Bleeding-modifiers on their own on an Ichthian Harpoon aren't really comparable to other MI's base modifiers. However, average base speed and 30% Piercing modifier totally make up for it. Average base speed means you can exchange some AS for %Dmg, and 30%P.Mod will increase your total damage a bit by itself, provided you've got some +%Piercing Damage.

Whisk33

11-14-2007, 07:57 AM

Its not that I have anything against bleeding damage... I hate all DOTs bleeding slightly more simply because undeads and constructs laugh in its face.
I hate DOTs. You have to wait to see if you are actually going to kill the guy... and when that one guys runs up and has a tiny sliver of life just hanging on. I get angered to no end.

Lillis

11-14-2007, 10:04 AM

kalyan

11-21-2007, 06:51 AM

ShopMI (http://www.titanquest.net/forums/modifications-editor/20333-shopmi-shopping-monster-infrequents-other-greens.html) released.

Ôrnil

12-07-2007, 11:05 AM

i got the gloves(stonecutter i think) but they have 2 to all skills:P

Whisk33

12-07-2007, 11:24 AM

i got the gloves(stonecutter i think) but they have 2 to all skills:P

epic versions. and stonebinders

aioria2

12-12-2007, 11:41 AM

wow, i just understand what're MI recently (even though many have told me what it was, i didnt pay much attention). I think my obsession with legendary items is finally over, this is indeed the next level!

Great Post and thanks for all the stats
time to farm :)

Matseb2611

12-12-2007, 08:12 PM

I am obsessed with all 3: epics, legendaries and MIs, in particular any sets that either look absolutely awesome or I have many pieces to.

aioria2

12-12-2007, 11:37 PM

i still collect epic/legendary set pieces and legendary items... it just that i found aionos yesterday.. and when i take out my alexander cuirass, nothing much change except the +2 skills, same with the aphrodite's favor... went back to achilles armor and pendant of immortal rage, but misses the +skills and it felt "old"... so yeah, gotta rebalance the equipment im using..

Viper_Sweden

12-13-2007, 06:48 AM

What are the base stats of Vengeance (Gigantes shield)?

Matseb2611

12-14-2007, 05:59 AM

Depends what difficulty you're talking about, Viper. But all of them grant passive version of Quick Recovery.

Poinas

12-14-2007, 06:32 AM

Vengeance: 51% chance to block 780 dmg, 242 dmg, 15% chance of 41 fire retaliation. And QR.

Viper_Sweden

12-14-2007, 10:06 AM

Quick Recovery isn't on all the time is it??? :knockout:

soup

12-14-2007, 10:39 AM

Ah, I see. Well, to be completely honest; I can truly relate to that, heh. But what bugs the most about DoT is that the last pixel of HP always takes longer to diappear than previous pixels of HP.

Let's set an example; you toon is doing DoT to an enemy, at the rate of 1 pixel of HP (of the monster HP-bar) per fixed time-unit. Let's just assume in this case that the game runs at a fixed rate of 25 frames per second. Let's also assume that the monster's HP-bar has a horizontal size of 25 pixels. That would mean that it would take exactly 25 frames for the monster to die (no direct damage whatsoever in this case). However, for some unapparent reason, the last pixel will take more than 1 frame to get rid of. Likely ~3 frames of duration in comparison

I believe it's more to do with health being shown as percentages. 100% is completely full health and one hit, be it -1 dmg against 1 billion health, drops it to 99%, but after that you need more hits to drop it to 98% etc... Last percentage on the other hand includes all health from 1.99% to 0%, efficiently showing almost 2% of total health.

Poinas

12-14-2007, 12:29 PM

Quick Recovery isn't on all the time is it??? :knockout:

Has a chance to activate upon taking melee dmg.

Viper_Sweden

12-14-2007, 12:49 PM

Oh... So it's not that good after all... :neutral:

dirkformica

01-15-2008, 12:14 AM

Late to the game, but I was wondering if some or most of these items only drop at certain difficulty levels? For example, the Stonebinder Cuffs and Homados.

Can they only be obtained at Legendary?

Arkeyla

01-15-2008, 02:31 AM

Wow, it's on this list? My first ever toon got a Hood of the Magi while she was at lvl 15 or so....

Matseb2611

01-15-2008, 05:47 PM

Late to the game, but I was wondering if some or most of these items only drop at certain difficulty levels? For example, the Stonebinder Cuffs and Homados.

Can they only be obtained at Legendary?

You can get all of them on all difficulties. It's just on harder difficulties they are better. Remember that they are not epics or legendaries, so their stats can vary greatly. E.g. if a normal sabertooth does somewhere around 40 damage the epic one will do about 90 I think, etc etc.

Question

01-21-2008, 09:37 AM

Can revenant armor drop in normal?

Which tombs spawn gilded skeletons?

Arminia

01-21-2008, 10:11 AM

Yes, it can, but only in legendary it will have +2 to all skills (epic and normal +1). Revenants Greaves can't drop at all, nowhere (error in Loottables).

Revenats Armor can drop in Egypt only, best place to farm seems to be Valley of Kings. See here (http://www.titanquest.net/forums/spoilers/19224-most-wanted-monster-infrequents-chances-get-them.html).

Question

01-21-2008, 10:44 AM

Yea, but i noticed only some tombs will spawn the gilded skeletons. Ramses doesnt spawn gilded AFAIK.

How difficult would it be to fix the loottable error?

sbach2o

01-21-2008, 11:22 AM

How difficult would it be to fix the loottable error?

It has been done in in this mod (http://www.titanquest-fr.com/forum/topic4700.html) (probably among others), if I understand correctly.

Question

01-21-2008, 12:24 PM

It has been done in in this mod (http://www.titanquest-fr.com/forum/topic4700.html) (probably among others), if I understand correctly.

Errr translation please?

Arminia

01-21-2008, 03:11 PM

Yea, but i noticed only some tombs will spawn the gilded skeletons. Ramses doesnt spawn gilded AFAIK.

How difficult would it be to fix the loottable error?

sorry, it's not in the loottable, but in the initial equipment section of all gilded skeletons, but it's easy to fix. I have attached a screenshot from artmanager. The Chance is given for item3, the loottable is given for item2, so you'll have to change either the chance to the correct line or the loottable.

I_Raps

01-21-2008, 06:35 PM

You also have to change the entry in lootLowerBodyArmor2 to an array using NI_GoldenSkeleton.dbr as the first entry, EI_GoldenSkeleton.dbr as the second, and LI_GoldenSkeleton.dbr third or all you'll get are the Normal version in all three difficulties.

From what I can make out on the French page, the modder has done that.

Circes Sister

01-21-2008, 07:03 PM

Thanks!
Sticky material...

Question

01-22-2008, 01:39 AM

Does anyone have any idea how that patch is supposed to work? Since it replaces database.arz, that would replace all the fixes with database.arz right? For example, wont this conflict with the stygian lurker quest rewards fix that also replaces that database.arz? Is there any way to "merge" the fixes together so as to speak?

Arminia

01-22-2008, 04:03 AM

Here as well as for stygian lurker the entries to be corrected are described. So you may do all corrections yourself and build your own database.arz.

Or you switch between different database.arz, depending on where you are playing, as revenants armor problem is only a problem in Egypt, while stygian lurker is only a problem in Hades (ok, this is not really a good way to deal with the problems).

Question

01-22-2008, 05:19 AM

Erm, sorry i dont quite get the first 2 lines of your post.

What is "here"?

Arminia

01-22-2008, 05:23 AM

Sorry, 'here' is the discussion about the revenant greaves error and its fixing in the last few posts in this thread.

bacon bones

02-10-2008, 12:17 PM

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/1760/stonebindersic9.jpg

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/1259/sentinelsjv4.jpg

are these "sentinels" gloves a monster-specific item, or is this just a powerful mod that happens to spawn on sentinel's gloves? ive never seen the mod on other gloves.

Arminia

02-10-2008, 03:46 PM

They are MI (called mi_[n|e|l]_gorgonmelee in the database), whereas the stonebinders are called mi_[n|e|l]_gorgonarcher. Unfortunately the epic version is bugged and has only +1 to hunting instead of +2. Usually you should find more of them as of stonebinders, as more gorgons can wear them.

404

02-23-2008, 07:51 PM

i tought that items can drop from any1 at any time in any area...or there are monsters that has higher drop % for certain items...so is there a monster that has NO CHANCE to drop a item?

Creslyn

02-23-2008, 09:22 PM

Most items are just randomly dropped anywhere, but some greens are specific to certain monster types, and are referred to as monster infrequents (MI's). Stonebinders are an example, and you can only get them off gorgons, and only gorgon casters at that. Sentinels gear are melee/archer variants of gorgon MI's.

Other notable ones are Revenant gear (gilded skeletons, and only in act 2), batrachos gear (anourans in act 4, but only before you go to hades), shamans gear (neanderthal shamans), of the magi gear (satyr casters), etc.

404

02-23-2008, 10:16 PM

Thank you very much 4 clearing that out.
I learned a lot today

manitaliano

03-14-2008, 04:15 PM

poop

404

03-14-2008, 09:44 PM

<----...best comment of the year

Alek_tq

03-15-2008, 05:39 PM

<----...best comment of the year
I feel dishonored by that. I suppose its because he didn't mention a boar in that post...

"Boar's poop"

Alek_tq

03-20-2008, 01:03 AM

Is this MI? The Charm of the Magi? Is it like Staff of the Magi and Hood of the Magi?

I never heard for these on forums, never had them drop so I have to ask:

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee188/Alek92-titan/CharmoftheMagi.jpg

Poinas

03-20-2008, 05:27 AM

Yes, it is a satyr mage MI.

404

03-20-2008, 05:50 AM

I like i...and it even looks cool

Alek_tq

03-20-2008, 10:23 AM

how come I never saw it on forums before?

Poinas

03-20-2008, 11:09 AM

Link (http://www.titanquest.net/forums/immortal-throne-gameplay/22132-puzzle-experts-2.html)

fishinfool

03-29-2008, 03:25 AM

What is a Kinslay and who drops it? Thanx.

Viper_Sweden

03-29-2008, 08:24 AM

Axe, dropped by the Minotaur Lord.

fishinfool

03-29-2008, 08:38 PM

Thanx Viper. Time to farm.

fishinfool

04-06-2008, 02:20 AM

Who drops this "Witch Doctor's Bracelet"? Does it even exist?

McGyverForTehWin

04-09-2008, 06:54 PM

I'm beginning to doubt the accuracy of the farming data about SBC. I just did 200 (Legendary) Minoan Labyrinth runs and came up with 2 SBC's. According to the data I should have got at least 4 and possibly 5 (4.66) cuffs.

Or it was just bad luck.

BeaverusIV

04-09-2008, 08:09 PM

My farming for SBC experience taught me they tend to drop in clusters, I would get 2 or 3 in an hour and then 2-3hours of nothing, then another 1 or 2 etc, etc. So it evened out.

McGyverForTehWin

04-10-2008, 01:35 PM

I seem to be in error. I've done 281 runs and have acquired 7 cuffs which actually beats the spread. It was down to sour luck.

R@nd0m

04-11-2008, 05:22 AM

thread starter could add the shaman leggings and the headress.pretty please as i would like to know where you farm them and what are the chances and what is the base stats . Thanks in advanc:headbang: e

bacon bones

04-18-2008, 07:14 PM

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/4701/sabertoothrr8.jpg

colossal/annihilation :clap:

Poinas

04-19-2008, 05:11 AM

I have exactly the same stats on all my Colossal Sabretooths of Annihilation..:(

bacon bones

04-19-2008, 07:38 AM

I have exactly the same stats on all my Colossal Sabretooths of Annihilation..:(

yeah, that seems to be a problem.

fishinfool

04-24-2008, 05:16 PM

Has anyone ever had a Kinslay drop from the Minotaur Lord? I've been farming him for a while now and still nothing. I at least get the occasional SBC from the gorgon's while I'm down there. Thanx.

ShaPe

04-30-2008, 01:34 PM

Ehem, now I feel a little lucky.... got betracos greaves while just going through the game:shifty:

unfortunatly no prefix/sufix and it was in epic:shifty:

Whateva2569

05-12-2008, 09:23 PM

For MIs do all of these drop on any difficulty rating or are some of them Legendary only? Me and my bro only on Normal and have found some but not others so tryin to figure out if I should farm for some items now or if it's a waste of time.

Persona

05-12-2008, 09:47 PM

fishinfool

05-27-2008, 05:39 PM

Thanx to Scarecrow for the Kinslay. Now all I need are these MI's:

Anaplekte's Vestment
Ceremonial Headdress
Jackal's Harness

Trade anyone?

OMG_Chicken

06-13-2008, 07:48 PM

Just got a 51% attack speed bramblewood on legendary...along with completed artemis bowstring im rocking at 220% attack speed =0

rallivaihde

06-16-2008, 02:14 PM

I got legendary staff of the magi.
Would this be the greatest staff for earth spellcaster ?
And what relic/charm should I use ?
Or are there unique legendary staffs that are better?

rallivaihde

06-16-2008, 02:16 PM

There are some that appear only in Epic. Off the top of my head, I can think of Stheno's Wisdom, so it's not on this list. If you search around, I'm sure you'll find others mentioned. All those mentioned here should be able to be found on all difficulties.

So thats why I havent found normal or legendary versions of Sthenos wisdom:errf:

I have 3 of them already:nerd:

Franksta

06-19-2008, 06:05 AM

Hey im relatively new to the game and ive just noticed that a lot of greens are better than blues so ive searched around the net and came across a shield called "Vengeance" i was wandering what and where does it drop off from?

Viper_Sweden

06-19-2008, 06:49 AM

Gigantes in Act 4, not that good...

Franksta

06-19-2008, 08:43 AM

ah ok thanks. if it isnt that good what shield do u recommend to get before starting epic? ive just finished act 3 of normal going onto act 4.

Viper_Sweden

06-19-2008, 10:42 AM

Premonition is a pretty good shield, but I recommend moving into Epic since there is a better chance for good shields to drop there...

minisav

06-19-2008, 03:11 PM

Nessus normally leaves good shields and eh is ewarly Act 1 so you should probably farm him :)

Franksta

06-20-2008, 03:01 AM

awesome thanks guys

Bukikekh

06-21-2008, 02:34 AM

A vague question-is soldiers unyielding will the best green shield?

Viper_Sweden

06-21-2008, 05:14 AM

Possibly, yes.

minisav

06-21-2008, 06:13 PM

Why is it so great?

Galefury

06-21-2008, 06:26 PM

It adds 300 DA, which is a lot. Duh.

minisav

06-21-2008, 07:15 PM

Ah. Thanks. Didn't spot that for some reason. I'm tired. Sorry to ask such an obvious question.

aeoNemesis

06-30-2008, 04:59 AM

is Myrmidon's Sting mention here?I don't see it or maybe just must have missed it.Thanks.

Poinas

06-30-2008, 08:40 AM

Perhaps it's just not one of the most wanted MI's :)

It's decent, but only has +20% AS.

zerit

07-08-2008, 05:59 AM

Myrmidon's Sting has also a dexterity bonus (30-40) and its base damage is the highest for axes (208-217). With some good affixes it could be more than decent.

fishinfool

07-09-2008, 03:01 AM

I consider the Myrmidon's Sting a regular MI.

aeoNemesis

07-11-2008, 02:16 AM

how about Exotic Carapace & Stonehammer?

thunder_clan

07-11-2008, 11:47 PM

I've found a few items that might be Infrequents but I'll post the names here and where I got them to be sure. Then if nobody else has already shown them I'll try to get pictures.

Mbuti's Advocate: Spear, dropped by Ichthian's in Babylon

Ichthian Harpoon: Spear, Dropped by Ichthian's in Babylon

Ichthian Aegis: Body Armor, dropped by Ichthian's in Babylon

Phonoi: Axe, Dropped by Macege (Doubt I spelled that right) in Hades Palace

Viper_Sweden

07-12-2008, 06:15 AM

Advocates are dropped by Anourans in Act 4.

Machae...

supersonic

07-12-2008, 06:54 PM

probably the coolest single item i will ever find again.
thought i'll show off the fruits of my labor and total extinction of tiger people race Oo
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3852/sabertoothvg4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3852/sabertoothvg4.de0c0a3568.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=267&i=sabertoothvg4.jpg)

48% damage
36 dex
35offensive ability
8%str
and a friggin 60% attack speed!!!

i'll show you the greatest dps weapon iv ever found later.

Persona

07-12-2008, 07:17 PM

Woah, very nice supersonic. With that kind of added attack speed, you probably don't even need anything else to boost your attack speed.

fishinfool

07-12-2008, 07:23 PM

Very nice find.

supersonic

07-12-2008, 08:27 PM

hmm editing a post was harder than i thought, i'll start over

my previous best green and i should mention that i love greens.. especialy the MI's gives me a feeling of using something that mob owned and not stolen from some other person and is using it like uniques.. where does a monster get iris?Oo anyway i hope u understand what i mean. im not very friendly with the engwish language so please forgive my spelllllllllling xD

here it is
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/5800/whomperym1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/5800/whomperym1.9931896519.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=229&i=whomperym1.jpg)
i thought i could never find anything better OO but apparently i was very very wrong.. this is fresh about 10 mins old xD from "new road" after crossing the river styx.
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/6207/superfolgij1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/6207/superfolgij1.15a5c5bde3.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=502&i=superfolgij1.jpg)
relickD and in use^^ dps went up by 300 compared to the itchian whomper.. not to mention other bonuses.

if anyone else has such insane itamz i would realy like to see.

fishinfool

07-12-2008, 08:55 PM

Here are 2 of my favorites for my dual wielding battlemage.

Veteran's Folg of Alacrity

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii222/fishinfool2/VeteransFolgofAlacrity.jpg

Veteran's Folg of Reckless Power

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii222/fishinfool2/VeteransFolgofRecklessPower.jpg

supersonic

07-12-2008, 08:57 PM

those are awesome OO

fishinfool

07-12-2008, 09:01 PM

The stats on you folg is higher though. Nice find.

Persona

07-12-2008, 09:13 PM

And people wonder why I'm so ridiculously high leveled. I get a nice warm glow when I find some ridiculously powerful item like these and that usually entails a lot of farming which usually leads to a lot of leveling.

fishinfool

07-12-2008, 09:15 PM

I'm the same way, I'd rather farm, level up and collect loot than anything else. I like it a lot.

supersonic

07-12-2008, 10:38 PM

i have alot more but atm i cant stop hunting for a good khthonion spike.. got a sweet rancor and vengeance with crazy stats on the way.. which was a yummy surprise^^. anyway im aiming to have my 7x conqueror in all greens with kick *** stats :O

fishinfool

07-12-2008, 11:10 PM

I was farming trogs and got a Lar and an Atouk. Also a Flayer's Skullcap and a Witchdoctor's Bracelet.

Poinas

07-13-2008, 05:54 AM

Herakle's Might in a weapon? Does the fan patch change where that charm can be put?

Supersonic, why use Embodiment while Incarnation of Achilles Valor gives even more damage?

supersonic

07-13-2008, 06:44 AM

i found Revenant gloves or some similar name with +2 skills Oo
really awesome Soldier's Unyielding Will and few other ones.. pics comming soon, this thread helped me alot.

fishinfool

07-14-2008, 02:13 AM

Herakle's Might in a weapon? Does the fan patch change where that charm can be put?

That was just me screwing around with the defiler. :whistle: I've yet to try out the fan patch though.

Poinas

07-14-2008, 07:09 AM

Oh, I just though you were using the patch since that relic has completion bonus of +34% dmg and some str, which it won't have in IT 1.10.

Viper_Sweden

07-14-2008, 07:19 AM

Do you mean TQ 1.30 or IT 1.10? :p

fishinfool

07-16-2008, 04:42 AM

What is your most valued and/or rarest MI that you found yourself?

aeoNemesis

07-16-2008, 04:52 AM

Homados & SBC for me

Poinas

07-16-2008, 06:11 AM

Do you mean TQ 1.30 or IT 1.10? :p

:errf:

What is your most valued and/or rarest MI that you found yourself?

SBC's of alacrity
Veteran's Stonebinder's Sash of the Glade
Brabmlewood Bow of Alacrity
Relentless Folg & Folg of Havoc
Colossal Sabertooth of Annihilation
etc.

Homados and Batrachos Greaves are worth zero in my eyes.

minisav

07-16-2008, 08:14 AM

Monstrous Khitonian Spike of Expertise
Veteran's Sabretooth of Reckless Power

Either of them. The other good ones I have traded for

piktaz

07-17-2008, 04:08 AM

Have anybody some data about prowler's legguard?? i've got normal version but i'm trying to farm legendary now... and what do you think, what's the best enchant for torso armor? (my ressistances are about 70%) maybe herackles might?

PUF-PAF

07-19-2008, 04:57 AM

http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o331/paveltishev/Clipboard01.jpg

24% CAP is awesome :))

piktaz

07-19-2008, 01:49 PM

WOW!!! If your revenant plate is legit so you are VERY lucky... i've farmed for one quite long but i haven't got any... and this makes me to burn with envy....
but i think that there are better enchants for torso armor... :)
btw, what artifact are you carrying?

supersonic

07-19-2008, 03:19 PM

that realy is an awesome revenant plate :O grats on the item

PUF-PAF

07-19-2008, 03:53 PM

well, this is the fourth revenant plate in a whole week of farming
the other three had stun resist or + damage, but this one turned out fantastic
especially the CAP bonus, so now i can switch from spear to bow and still have 100% CAP :))
the artifact is knot of isis, which gives 20% CAP
i put this relic because i need the DA bonus

i also got got 1 revenant crown but it had only 56 DA as bonus:/

i found the tomb of amenhetep I to be best for farming gilded skeletons. it is directly to the right of the waypoint and almost everytime has gilded skeletons in it. sometimes once you enter there are specters inside, but run straight down to second room and you might find gilded there. dont bother going down the third room.

other tombs i found to be either further from the waypoint, or had mostly demons, constructs or shades in them

i play on xmax mod

Orbital

08-03-2008, 06:02 PM

Do Batracho's Greaves still drop from frogs? Do they have to be particular frogs because I have been farming the ones outside of the first town in Hades forever and I haven't seen any drop. Does it have to be on a certain difficulty?

The Fallen One

08-03-2008, 06:40 PM

Any difficulty, any frog. It does take forever to find them.

Runefang

08-03-2008, 07:30 PM

You're probably better off farming the frogs just after Medea's Grove... I forget what the place is called but its some kind of swamp I think. You'll find many many more frogs there.

Orbital

08-05-2008, 01:58 AM

Thanks. I will keep trying.

doombridge

08-26-2008, 05:59 PM

Can we get some more updates to this list or do I need to start adding things? I want a more comprehensive list, one way or another. I don't know that many things missing, but its what I do know that makes me want to know more.

Gog, Atouk, Lar, Vengeance, Porphyrion/Alcyoneus/Gigantes various, these being a few examples. Some of the best MI's I've seen in the game aren't even on the list, and I've farmed for that lame Rev Plate or Helm for weeks and never seen one, of either. I've killed well over 10k gilded using xmax and nada, I just wanted to see ONE for fun! In that time I got about 30 Kspikes and about 100 folgs. Ridiculous.

PS: TQ > D2.

The Fallen One

08-26-2008, 06:16 PM

Yes, there are some MIs that could and should be added to the list, but aren't. And Alyconeus gear is the true MI, Gigantes and Poryphorion are just the lesser MIs.

doombridge

08-27-2008, 09:10 AM

Is there Alyconeus gear for every slot that Gig/Por take up? I figured Gig was lesser but from my experience Alc drops off the green gigantes/bosses and Porp seems a lot more common.

The Fallen One

08-27-2008, 09:55 AM

Poryphorion just has a slightly better armor rating than Gigantes. Alyconeus equiptment consists of the Breastplate, Armbands, Leggings, Venegance (a shield), Rancor (an axe/hammer), and the Mask. The mask is an interesting piece because it grants a skill similar to Marduk's Tablet of Destiny's granted skill.

fishinfool

08-27-2008, 08:12 PM

Here's a link to where there are several lists of MI's. I spent a lot of time collecting and trading with friends for almost all of these listed MI's. Good luck.

http://vnboards.ign.com/titan_quest_trades/b23109/106362502/p1

Persona

08-27-2008, 10:08 PM

http://www15.atwiki.jp/titanquest/pages/97.html
Is what I used when I was still getting used to the game and wasn't sure what stats were on which MIs.

doombridge

08-28-2008, 12:36 AM

Much appreciated, thanks.

Edit: And also so you know, I'm not new to the game, I've been playing all summer while lurking here and watching the various silliness. Seems like a good forum. Nothing reasonable to flame about, maybe that's why everyone's still over at the D2 forum.

Haast

08-28-2008, 11:03 AM

Hello,

Could someone repost the Minoan SBC run map? The link in the original post has exceeded bandwidth. I tried looking through the thread, but it is very long, so I may have missed it. Thanks much!

Boneflesh

08-28-2008, 11:08 AM

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa199/Boneflesh_photos/alcymask65347.jpg

The helm mentioned few posts above.

doombridge

08-28-2008, 11:36 AM

The Fallen One

08-28-2008, 05:07 PM

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa199/Boneflesh_photos/alcymask65347.jpg

The helm mentioned few posts above.

That's the one. Awesome, ain't it? :p

Haast

08-28-2008, 05:18 PM

It's easy to describe:

http://www.gamebanshee.com/titanquest/walkthrough/minoanlabyrinth.php

Start at point F the respawn fountain and just double back through the maze. If snakes and goldielocks aren't up then restart titan quest.

So I start from the final fountain and go backwards? Gotcha. How far back should I go? The labyrinth is really large. =)

The Fallen One

08-28-2008, 05:18 PM

All the way back, so long as you see gorgons right away.

doombridge

08-28-2008, 05:26 PM

If you are a melee with high dps and you don't bother killing non bosses (i.e. only kill Geomancers, Profaners, and the ones with the star over their head, ignore Slayers they drop Sentinel's Cuffs if I'm not mistaken +3 to Hunting instead of all) then it should be a 30 second or less run. If its longer than 45 seconds you've gone too far, all the action on that run takes place in that one maze section.

Edit: I can't stress how much better than boss gorgon run this run is, either. 3 pairs of cuffs from them in over 200 runs and each run takes forever. This run, if you do it right, is 20-25 seconds and you can clean up. I got 8 cuffs in 4 hours and that was the only time I really farmed for them there. There is a good run earlier in the maze too but its a bit longer with fewer boss possibilities (I think I got it down to 50 sec using colossus). YMMV.