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[Paradox]

Originally Posted by eRazor

Get off your high horse. If Iron Lore really cared about their reputation AND their future sales, they would get very vocal with THQ and start looking for a new publisher. Iron Lore could fund the **** patch themselves if they really wanted to, provided that THQ would allow them to. Sure, THQ owns the rights, but there must be some legal recourse that IL can use to protect their reputation. If this is really the end of TQ, then I'm afraid it'll also be the end of IL. Reputation is eveything in this business.

THQ and Iron Lore are not high on my "to buy" list anymore.

I agree completely... to totally abandon a game like this, who's to say the next game I buy from them won't be abandoned also? why spend hard earned money on something they just abandon like that?

[Vince]

Hold your horses, Men! It's a great game. If they put out another one, I'll read the reviews first, and then I'll make my decision.

[eRazor]

Hey, I'm just telling it like it is.

I don't buy games with the EA logo on the box either, and I haven't since they started their closed server crap. They (EA) just released a list of about 20 titles that they're closing the servers for. What happens to the people who actually still play those games? They won't be able to anymore because you NEED the EA servers to get your game profile from.

What's going to happen in November when the Battlefield 1942 servers are closed? Next summer when the Battlefield 2 servers get closed? Next fall when the NFS Carbon servers are closed?

The point I'm trying to get across is that people will choose to ignore certain publishers and/or developers for reasons THEY feel are valid. For me, SUPPORT is the biggest.

If IL finds a new publisher for their next title, I'll probably look at it. If they stick with THQ, I'll know they don't give a rats arse about their rep, and I'll give 'em a miss.

All that being said, since my last upgrade I haven't experienced a lot of RB, but in our group we've found 10 or 12 really annoying bugs that should never have made it to production. All of these bugs were introduced with the expansion (RB, invisible party members, disappearing auras, etc). I don't believe that TQIT got ANY QA testing before it was RTM. With the number of bugs that are there, it couldn't have been.

[Gene]

Originally Posted by eRazor

Get off your high horse. If Iron Lore really cared about their reputation AND their future sales, they would get very vocal with THQ and start looking for a new publisher. Iron Lore could fund the **** patch themselves if they really wanted to, provided that THQ would allow them to. Sure, THQ owns the rights, but there must be some legal recourse that IL can use to protect their reputation. If this is really the end of TQ, then I'm afraid it'll also be the end of IL. Reputation is eveything in this business.

THQ and Iron Lore are not high on my "to buy" list anymore.

*sigh*

First, they can get as vocal as they want with THQ and it won't change a thing. THQ has decided that it is not worthwhile to continue its venture with TQ anymore, there is no changing this.

Further, Iron Lore CAN'T fund the patch themselves. They're working on a project right now just to not go under. There is no legal action that they can take against THQ either, they signed a contract, it would be a waste of even more money that they just don't have.

If you'd have read this thread, you'd have noticed that IL has said that they'd TRY to get a patch out (it was due either this month or next) but not to cross our fingers. They want to fix this game, but THQ will not fund them and people generally don't work without compensation.

-Gene

[Smash]

Remeber that Iron Lore made this bugs and other things not THQ. Why THQ would care and fund IL especialy when TQ is not on high prior on this publisher list ><. We can just hope that IL care about there clients and has some honor .

[eRazor]

Originally Posted by Smash

Remeber that Iron Lore made this bugs and other things not THQ. Why THQ would care and fund IL especialy when TQ is not on high prior on this publisher list ><. We can just hope that IL care about there clients and has some honor .

Because it's their reputation too. Whose logo comes first when you launch the game? THQ. Whose logo is the largest on the game box? THQ. Who is the end user most likely to remember? THQ.

Also, it's not that IL made the bugs, it's more likely that THQ set an unrealistic RTM date and forced IL to rush things. What suffers when things are rushed? QA testing. The RB problem should NEVER have made it to market. If any testing was done on hardware that aproached minimum requirements, they would have seen first-hand how horribly impossible it is to play when RB'ing your way through an intense fight.

Yes, THQ has a responsibility to fund and support a product THEY produced.

[ivara]

Originally Posted by Gene

*sigh*

First, they can get as vocal as they want with THQ and it won't change a thing. THQ has decided that it is not worthwhile to continue its venture with TQ anymore, there is no changing this.

Further, Iron Lore CAN'T fund the patch themselves. They're working on a project right now just to not go under. There is no legal action that they can take against THQ either, they signed a contract, it would be a waste of even more money that they just don't have.

If you'd have read this thread, you'd have noticed that IL has said that they'd TRY to get a patch out (it was due either this month or next) but not to cross our fingers. They want to fix this game, but THQ will not fund them and people generally don't work without compensation.

-Gene

Maybe IL can't get vocal with THQ, maybe they can - I don't know all the details of their contracts, and I doubt you do either. However, as I just read in another thread here, IL's next game, "Warhammer 40.000", is also going to be distributed by THQ. The way I see it, they COULD use that project, by deliberately delaying it or something, to force THQ to fund them for a patch to TQ:IT. The way I see it, it is in both firm's best interest to satisfy their TQ customers, if they want to sell "Warhammer 40.000" to them... Not being an RTS fan myself, I probably wouldn't buy the game in any event, but I certainly won't buy it knowing the IL/THQ combo doesn't support their games post release, should any sort of bug arise (and they usually do). If anyone else thinks like I do, and it certainly seems that way judging by some of the other posts in this thread, the lack of continued support for TQ:IT could certainly damage their sales of "Warhammer 40.000" and other potential games down the line...

Further more, if IL REALLY wanted to mend the IT patch situation, they certainly would/should use the "Warhammer" contract against THQ for all it's worth! After all; their reputation is most certainly on the line...

[Whisk33]

Originally Posted by ivara

The way I see it, they COULD use that project, by deliberately delaying it or something, to force THQ to fund them for a patch to TQ:IT.

I like you're fairy world... it sounds fun... Like a contractor has any say on how the building looks. You make me giggle. The people with the money make decisions. When people who do the grunt work say "we want to do it our way" they ask for permission. If they don't get it and they still do it their way. They get thrown in jail/fined and none of that turns out well for anyone...

That was cute though...

he way I see it, it is in both firm's best interest to satisfy their TQ customers, if they want to sell "Warhammer 40.000" to them.

I don't think so... go on ask me why!

Not being an RTS fan myself, I probably wouldn't buy the game in any event,

Case in Point... you aren't buying one way or another, only thing making a patch would do is POSSIBLY stop the whining on the forum.
<people laugh in the background and suddenly stop with a sharp glance by Whisk33 who also recognizes the futility>
NO ONE (not enough) CARES ABOUT TQ. TQ is IL's first project. You can be sure that Medirra will have a copy unopened on a bookshelf some where. You can be sure they (IL) want TQ to be perfect and likely will put much of their own time into i.e. Medirra STILL CONTINUING to post here. THQ wants to make money. Thats what they do. They produce games in the hopes of making money. Think of it like the Music industry... Labels = producers Dev = Bands. Bands can shop out their songs/games, but once they are on a label they will play what they have to by their contract. The whole, "Well I'm not going to play" thing only works when you have something that everyone wants. Right now IL is just the winning bid on this Warhammer game which I still need to look into..

[ivara]

LOL. Point taken... Yet, I'm sure IL has more people working for them than just those "on the floor" doing the work. Their management are likely just as interested in money as THQ are, and probably knows that if their reputation is seriously drawn into the mud, money would be harder to come by...

Also, most money loving investors hate having their money disappear, and if their reputation goes down the drain that's usually just what happens. However, as you subtly and between the lines pointed out, a few whiners on this forum is FAR from being enough to make that happen on a massive scale. 10 less buyers from this site doesn't scare anyone...

However, if "Warhammer 40.000" eventually suffers from lack of support the way TQ does, then a few more will care. And maybe yet a few more if the story repeats itself the next time around too. If suddenly the right person cares, someone with, say, a massively read gaming site between their hands, and they started writing bad things about them, then all of a sudden quite a few would care... Then maybe something might happen.

People are getting more and more aware of the music industry as well, which you pointed out as a reasonable comparison. We're beginning to get fed up with DRM, copy protections and (for some) over samplification causing reduced music quality on high end stereos. It's come to a point where the music industry are the ones whining about not enough sales, and so on. We, the consumers, do, point of fact, hold all the power in our hands - without us neither the music or the game industry would survive. But one barking dog is rarely enough to wake the whole neighborhood... 10.000 dogs, though.

Until then, what can we, the few who actually DO care for TQ and want it to be all that it possibly CAN be, do? Just shut up, or try to use our voice in whatever way we see fit, in a hope that it might help somewhere down the line? Personally I choose the latter, fairy wordly as it might seem...

[medierra]

Originally Posted by Smash

I know medierra wrote that he will give us info about patch, but it is 21sep and this silence is killing me, i just want to know if they atleast will start or no, i want something to keep my hope up, i want Triumph working TT

Silence can be deadly, however, I still don't have much to report other than to say it still doesn't look like we'll be able to work on a patch in the near future. While we would still like to do a patch, I don't know when we will have the resources to devote to it. I don't really think it is fair to have players waiting around for a patch that could take months or possibly never happen. Honestly, at present I would suggest people assume there won't be a patch. Thus, if there is a patch, it will be a pleasant surprise, if not... well at least people won't be waiting around forever.