"Triumph-Bug" : Another solution !

[ShadowLich]

Originally Posted by GuardianWarrior

@ShadowLich


Hm, i´ve watched closely to HP changes, with BS+T and without. I could see a clear difference.
Did you max out Triumph ?
The -40 % on Level 6 make a huge difference.
And this debuff is only "physical" damage!
Hm, let´s wait, if someone else has this problem. More i can´t tell you right now.

I modified distance profile since it's the only modification between my old version and yours, then I test it out.

I summon a BS level 1 (to have Damage absorption lowest as possible) without Triumph and see a 90 hit with TQlog, normally 107 from this ennemy.
I raised Triumph to 6 and summon again a BS level 1, again I can read 90.
Are you sure the damage reduction isn't due to only damage absorption?

Since I worked on a fix for Ravages Of Time, now I know for sure that -X% damage cannot be given to monsters by a SkillBuff_Debuff. Only a skillBuff_Passive can do this.
I modified the template skillBuff_Passive adding it a Skill_Config debufskill,1 (as in SkillBufff_Debuf).
Finally I removed from DeathChillAurabuff, offensivepercentlife (cause it makes the changes to affect my char at each hit from monsters), and now my DeatchChillaura, reduces speed, damages and resistance. That's the best I come to.

[GuardianWarrior]

Ups, hope i didn´t mix BS´s DA with Triumph´s debuff.

I have to check this again.

[GuardianWarrior]

Sorry, Doublepost.

Well, i have to apologize, cause did mix BS´s DA with Triumph´s debuff.
So the "-X% (Physical)Damage" from Triumph does not work. Sorry.
The two Resi-Debuffs do.

But i can offer a little solution to this.
The percent values for the damage reduction don´t work, but the flat points into physical damage reduction do work.
Ok, the effect is not the same, but at least a little bit nearer to the original one.
The values then have to be set suitable.

Here the DBR-Entry, that has to be set in this file, "battlestandard_petskill_triumphbuff.dbr" :
"All Groups / Offensive Parameters / Offensive Duration / Offensive Slow Offensive Reduction -> offensiveSlowOffensiveReductionMin"
and to make it work, also " -> offensiveSlowOffensiveReductionDurationMin" set value to 4.


@ShadowLich
Didn´t found time to try out your method, but will see for it.
Very thx for now.


Again, any help, ideas and comments are welcome.

[GuardianWarrior]

Sry, Tripelpost. (wow, feels like if i am in UT again)


Now i did find myself more time to do some more testing.


@Altered "SkillBuff_Passive.tpl"
Very good work "ShadowLich" ! Another important point here.
I have replaced the "SkillBuff_Debuff.tpl" from my "battlestandard_petskill_triumphbuff.dbr" and used your "SkillBuff_Passive2.tpl".
This one works very well for reducing the enemies damage output. Also it can carry the other resi debuffs too, excellent.
So finaly we can be happy and Triumph works now as it was intended to.

Just one problem appeared, sometimes my testchar did got hit by the testmonster, although the damage reduction was set to -300%.
The animation of the flamewaves were not fluent. Short interuptions after 3-4 seconds.
To fix this, i had to change back the template of my "battlestandard_petskill_triumph.dbr" from "Skill_BuffRadius" to "Skill_AttackBuffRadius". There is no major drawback on this, only the BS doesn´t cast the flamewaves anymore. On the other hand, i think it´s better to let them radiate from the monsters, who enter the BS range, cause so it works fine as an indicator.

I will make an edit to my opening post tomorrow.

Now we have two versions of Triumph, Ganelon´s and mine´s.
I made a start to point out the differences, see here.

[Ganelon]

Guardian Warrior, could you post your raw dbr's? It would make analyzing your work much easier. I would really like to field test your solution and see how it differs from mine. I am especially interested in isolating the cause of the "flesh eating banner" bug.

Just one problem appeared, sometimes my testchar did got hit by the testmonster, although the damage reduction was set to -300%.

It's possible that damage reduction gets capped at some number below 100%. This is the first time we've actually had a working damage reduction effect, so the mechanics aren't well understood yet.

EDIT: I recommend changing the UI icon for Ravages of Time from a circle to a square. This helps remind the player that RoT is now a separate skill from Deathchill Aura and need to be activated independently.

[GuardianWarrior]

Originally Posted by Ganelon

It's possible that damage reduction gets capped at some number below 100%. This is the first time we've actually had a working damage reduction effect, so the mechanics aren't well understood yet.

No, this has nothing to do with a possible skill cap.
Triumph just doesn´t cast fluently, therefore very short periods of interuptions appeare, where Triumph can´t apply it´s debuffs. So the char gets hit occasionally.
To fix it, i had to change the template of my "battlestandard_petskill_triumph.dbr" as described above.
Then there where no such interuptions anymore and Triumph worked fine.


@cap on "damage reduction"
I commented this in your thread, here.
I guess, you have already seen it.
Just wanted to round off my post here.


@Raw DBR-Files
Added them now, see bottom of post.
I have added also the "SkillBuff_Passive2.tpl". It´s not in the proper folder, so you have to copy it into the "Template"-folder.
I made this file myself according "ShadowLich"´s suggestions, so it should look the same as your´s.

I have made additional changes according to original BS and T version.
These changes are not necessary for the bug-fix !

- "battlestandard_petskill_triumphbuff.dbr"
I have made one change to the original triumph entries:
The values of the attribute "-X% Damage Resistance" were copied from,
"defensivePhysical" to "defensivePhysicalModifier"(i thought, actually the values should be in this place here).

- "battlestandard.dbr"
Added, probably forgotten, values in "Spawn Config / spawnObjectsTimeToLive".
Originally only 10 values, but guess it should be 14, cause of the skillcap.
So continued the values linear, with the same increasing step as from the values before.
=> Indices 11 to 14 added, with values 38, 40, 42, 44.

- "battlestandard_petskill_defaultbuff.dbr"
Corrected an obviously wrong value:
"Skill Config / skillMaxLevel" from 14 down to 10.
14 is the level at the skillcap, 10 it´s normal maximum.

EDIT: One change, described in the red coloured paragraphe, is wrong. Forget about it. A corrected zip-file will be attached.

[Ganelon]

Originally Posted by GuardianWarrior

I have made additional changes according to original BS and T version.
These changes are not necessary for the bug-fix !

- "battlestandard_petskill_triumphbuff.dbr"
I have made one change to the original triumph entries:
The values of the attribute "-X% Damage Resistance" were copied from,
"defensivePhysical" to "defensivePhysicalModifier"(i thought, actually the values should be in this place here).

If I understand correctly, this makes the -Resist effect a multiplicative reduction instead of a subtractive one. (e.g If a monster has 30% resistenace, a -50% effect would drop it down to 15%, instead of -20%).

Personally, I think that this makes the skill too weak. Most monsters have a baseline physical resistance of zero, meaning that Triumph won't affect them at all until Epic and Legendary, and even then, the effect will be very weak.

Triumph is is like Study Prey, except that it is more awkward to use, has a longer cooldown time, and is more narrow in its effect. The effect should be good!

- "battlestandard.dbr"
Added, probably forgotten, values in "Spawn Config / spawnObjectsTimeToLive".
Originally only 10 values, but guess it should be 14, cause of the skillcap.
So continued the values linear, with the same increasing step as from the values before.
=> Indices 11 to 14 added, with values 38, 40, 42, 44.

I never noticed that before. It certainly looks like an unintentional omission. It might be worth including that in the patch. I'll see what others think.

- "battlestandard_petskill_defaultbuff.dbr"
Corrected an obviously wrong value:
"Skill Config / skillMaxLevel" from 14 down to 10.
14 is the level at the skillcap, 10 it´s normal maximum.

My database didn't have this error. Maybe the German version of TQ has a typo in it? Are you sue that you were looking at the MaxLevel parameter, and not the UltimateLevel paremeter?

[GuardianWarrior]

If I understand correctly, this makes the -Resist effect a multiplicative reduction instead of a subtractive one. (e.g If a monster has 30% resistenace, a -50% effect would drop it down to 15%, instead of -20%).

Personally, I think that this makes the skill too weak. Most monsters have a baseline physical resistance of zero, meaning that Triumph won't affect them at all until Epic and Legendary, and even then, the effect will be very weak.

Triumph is is like Study Prey, except that it is more awkward to use, has a longer cooldown time, and is more narrow in its effect. The effect should be good!

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My database didn't have this error. Maybe the German version of TQ has a typo in it? Are you sue that you were looking at the MaxLevel parameter, and not the UltimateLevel paremeter?

EDIT: Sry, got to correct myself again.
Sorry and thanks, i did make a mistake in the first case.
I don´t know why i did the first one, please change it back.
For the second one, in my original files the value "skillMaxLevel" is set to 14, not 10. I´ve checked it again.

Made an edit above.